Moving back from Spain and need help with benefits

Dunroamin

needelp wrote: »

Thanks to those that answered with sensible input.



You may be right and it may be an answer to the problem.



A point you may be missing is my wife and I were claiming benefits before moving to Spain and continued, albeit less so, while living there, quite legally and rightfully of course.

As for support from Spain there are no benefits available to us.

(This next bit might answer some other questions as well) We only became Spanish residents because we had to 1) by Spanish law after living in the country for I think its 180 days or close to and 2) by the request of the British government who would have been unable to allow Spain to treat us medical-wise under their National Health scheme. It is interesting to note that our health cards (What was the E111) is supplied by the British government and not the Spanish so I think you can safely say we are still in some way in the British system of benefits etc.



Yes to live close to that child carer and another in the same borough.

May I add here for the troll-like posters I was born in London some 64 years ago, lived there for 59 years and actually lived in said borough for nearly 30 years before moving to Spain. I think it’s plain to see the reasons why I would want to return there.



Thank you.



Thank you, the borough is on the outskirts and is one swallowed up by London.



As far as I’m aware Attendance Allowance is only available to claimants of DLA once this has been stopped at I believe the age of 65, anyways both cannot be claimed at the same time.



Yes I agree.



It was always only a temporary move and one just a few years short of our original plan.

As I explained earlier the residency is a must once living in that country for roughly half a year.

Maybe at this time I should explain our original move was for my wife's health as the Spanish climate was and is very beneficial to her. She will deteriorate much faster once back in the UK but this is something we cant do much about I'm afraid.

Needelp.

I really hope that you've made a mistake with what you've written there as that is illegal. The old E111 (now EHIC) is only for temporary visitors to other countries and is invalid when someone becomes a permanent resident overseas.

Dunroamin

needelp wrote: »

Something else that maybe some people don't take into account is we are now all Europeans like it or not and supposed to integrate with everything equal.
I'm sure nobody would be moaning had we moved to Scotland where we would have had all our benefits kept including mobility but because we moved to somewhere many people think of as a holiday destination it just isn't OK, its thought provoking eh.

Not really. Scotland is (still) part of the UK so it isn't actually moving abroad.

ILW

needelp wrote: »

Something else that maybe some people don't take into account is we are now all Europeans like it or not and supposed to integrate with everything equal.
I'm sure nobody would be moaning had we moved to Scotland where we would have had all our benefits kept including mobility but because we moved to somewhere many people think of as a holiday destination it just isn't OK, its thought provoking eh.

I was with you until that stupid quote.
You say we are all Europeans and equal, but soon come running back to the UK when the Spanish do not pay as much benefits as you would like.

paddedjohn

needelp wrote: »

Something else that maybe some people don't take into account is we are now all Europeans like it or not and supposed to integrate with everything equal.
I'm sure nobody would be moaning had we moved to Scotland where we would have had all our benefits kept including mobility but because we moved to somewhere many people think of as a holiday destination it just isn't OK, its thought provoking eh.

If you had moved to Scotland (part of the UK) then it would have saved the UK a few bob because the benefits you received would have been spent here in the UK and helped our economy rather than Spain's.

needelp

Dunroamin wrote: »

I really hope that you've made a mistake with what you've written there as that is illegal. The old E111 (now EHIC) is only for temporary visitors to other countries and is invalid when someone becomes a permanent resident overseas.

Yes you are right I was wrong about the old E111, we do have proper Spanish health cards as well as the equivalent of the old E111 for use outside Spain and interestingly issued by the UK!

As for my last post I suppose it was a stupid thing to say re: Scotland and I take it back if I can. Opens up a different can of worms and nothing to do with the original post.

FBaby

needelp wrote: »

I don't make the rules and claiming entitled benefits abroad is no different to rich people claiming child allowance and heating allowance in the UK, millions of them!.

Indeed, but if you accept the rules when it benefited you, you have to accept them too when they might not. You should have made yourself aware when you took the decision to move that you could face the situation you are in now. You said you always planned on coming back, so it's not as if you are suddenly in an unexpected situation. It was a case of weighing the pros and cons. pro being better weather for your wife and whatever you say, more pleasurable lifestyle (talking from experience), the cons being away from your family, losing your entitlement to NHS care (except emergencies) and potential difficulties coming back to the country.

needelp

FBaby wrote: »

Indeed, but if you accept the rules when it benefited you, you have to accept them too when they might not. You should have made yourself aware when you took the decision to move that you could face the situation you are in now. You said you always planned on coming back, so it's not as if you are suddenly in an unexpected situation. It was a case of weighing the pros and cons. pro being better weather for your wife and whatever you say, more pleasurable lifestyle (talking from experience), the cons being away from your family, losing your entitlement to NHS care (except emergencies) and potential difficulties coming back to the country.

I admit to not knowing the difficulties of coming back when I left and I believe few did at that time, many of these rules and the experiences of others before me have come to light since.

I'm not asking for anything I'm not entitled to (Never have) and my post is to find out exactly what that is and how best to get it.

It appears I have to make my own way back and find a home to rent then apply for benefits when I need them, fair enough I wont argue with that if its the best way and will find a way to do it with no doubt the help of my family.

I have learned one very important tip from the forum that I must prove I came back to live in the UK for reasons other than claiming benefits.

seven-day-weekend

Dunroamin wrote: »

I really hope that you've made a mistake with what you've written there as that is illegal. The old E111 (now EHIC) is only for temporary visitors to other countries and is invalid when someone becomes a permanent resident overseas.

That is correct, but the form that gives resident pensioners (and other people on a qualifying Benefit) healthcare in Spain and other European countries is the S1 which replaced the old E121, and that is also paid for by the British Government. It entitles you to the same healthcare as citizens of the country you are in. If you are a resident in Spain you will get the Healthcard in that country by presenting the S1 form at your local INSS . (Social Security Office).

Every European country (afaik) uses the form S1 to qualifying citizens of their country who are resident in another European country.

drc

If you want to rent privately in London you will almost certainly have to top up your local housing allowance as what you will receive will be limited by area and number of bedrooms required.

https://lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/search.aspx

For example, if the one bedroom rate for a London borough is £170 and your rent is £200, you will need to pay the extra £30 yourself.

It rarely covers the full cost of private rentals these days, so be prepared to pay the top up from your other benefits.

zoominatorone

OP
you do know that your daughter can't claim for looking after her own mother if she earns more than £100 (or thereabouts) a week?

Has she got a rich husband supporting her, because living in London these days isn't cheap is it?

If you've worked for 40 years, how come in the space of 5 years you don't seem to have a penny? You've been on almost a grand a month with NO rent to pay...