UKCPS Fine but using my company car...advise needed on what contact I should make?

555bigbrowneyes

Hi - My first posting so hope I'm doing this in the correct place. I have received a parking charge notice for £100 (reduced to £60 if paid in 14 days) Parking was limited to 2 hours. However the times stated on my ticket state the arrival time and what I assume to be the ticketed time of exactly 2 hours. I also arrived at my car 60 seconds after recieving my ticket- i know because i called my husband at that time. Following which i found my ticket. Oddly enough I saw no one in the car park so they must have been waiting for exactly 2 hours to pass, jumped out from nowhere, issued my ticket and gone back into hiding.Do these people have any leniency?

I have read all the advice on here saying I should ignore the ticket, however I was using my company car at the time and dont want any correspondance to go to my company. I did find one post that breif contact should be made with UKCPS so they have my name and address and subsequently correspondance should come to me. My question is; Should this be done by letter or can this be done by email? Also could you please advice what i shoud write?

atilla

email or letter, doesn't matter.
Just tell them you were driving. Give them NO explanations.
This will/should get the junk mail sent to you and not fleet.

Dave_TH

Appeal with a simple "car park empty" that will stop them contacting your company car people, then just ignore or if you are up for it, have a bun fight,...

Stroma

Don't forget to put your name, address and reference number on anything sent, don't admit liability though. And as mentioned when they are writing to you just ignore them. They cannot go back to the lease company then if you ignore.

esmerobbo

I would simply copy the invoice send it back to them using your address, and simply say "Notice issued incorrectly"
They will then send you a letter trying to justify the reason for the invoice then you can ignore them.

555bigbrowneyes

Cheers guys for all your advice. So glad I looked on here first before paying. Makes me wonder how many innocent victims they have conned though.

spacey2012

Does your company car have any fleet identifying factors, number plated buffer fleet company names, things like that, or it can even just be a registration block issued to a fleet hire company.
Recommendation is to remove any identifying signs as these scammers go straight for anything that looks like fleet hire, even if you have not broken any made up rules.
They know many fleet companies get straight in on the action themselves to make a few quid and bill the company for the scam.

freyawright

Hope you can help-this has also happened to me, but no "fine" on my car and no correspondence. they have now contacted my company fleet admin to say that I have to pay or they will take me to court blah blah from a company called "Court Proceedings London LTD" which the fleet office believe to be official but having sent me the scanned paper is absolutely nothing of the sort. I have no intention of paying something straight off that I know nothing about-but how do I get stuff sent to me rather than the fleet office now? The fleet office have contacted them already on my behalf and they have "agreed" to accept £100 because I haven't received anything else from them. Completely ridiculous-I want to take this on myself, as much as anything because I know if it keeps going to the fleet office I will have to pay because they will take away my car!!! All advice VERY much appreciated!!!

Sir_Roger_deLodger

freyawright wrote: »

Hope you can help-this has also happened to me, but no "fine" on my car and no correspondence. they have now contacted my company fleet admin to say that I have to pay or they will take me to court blah blah from a company called "Court Proceedings London LTD" which the fleet office believe to be official but having sent me the scanned paper is absolutely nothing of the sort. I have no intention of paying something straight off that I know nothing about-but how do I get stuff sent to me rather than the fleet office now? The fleet office have contacted them already on my behalf and they have "agreed" to accept £100 because I haven't received anything else from them. Completely ridiculous-I want to take this on myself, as much as anything because I know if it keeps going to the fleet office I will have to pay because they will take away my car!!! All advice VERY much appreciated!!!

The advice given to the OP of this thread also applies to you.

Once they have your details they cannot go back to the registered keeper and you can safely ignore them.

trisontana

Court Proceedings Ltd is a tin-pot debt collection company that works on behalf of UKCPS. You can tell how good there are, they don't even a consumer credit licence.

Coupon-mad

freyawright wrote: »

Hope you can help-this has also happened to me, but no "fine" on my car and no correspondence. they have now contacted my company fleet admin to say that I have to pay or they will take me to court blah blah from a company called "Court Proceedings London LTD" which the fleet office believe to be official but having sent me the scanned paper is absolutely nothing of the sort. I have no intention of paying something straight off that I know nothing about-but how do I get stuff sent to me rather than the fleet office now? The fleet office have contacted them already on my behalf and they have "agreed" to accept £100 because I haven't received anything else from them. Completely ridiculous-I want to take this on myself, as much as anything because I know if it keeps going to the fleet office I will have to pay because they will take away my car!!! All advice VERY much appreciated!!!

The Fleet have no business making any arrangement to pay when it's your fake PCN. Is it a leased car? If so then the Lease company should just be responding with the name of the driver & address for service, as per the BVRLA (lease car industry Trade Body's) advice.

Even if not a leased car, then the Fleet needs to learn the difference between a real PCN and a fake one. Your terms of car use is VERY UNLIKELY to allow them to do anything about an invoice like this - most only mention 'penalties and fines' which this is NOT. The Fleet should use a standard reply giving the name and address of the driver (maybe getting you all to agree to this up front). They should NOT be getting involved with rsponding to the PPC in any other way as that means they don't get zero liability.

You should be proactive and write quickly to the PPC and saying that you were driving and do a basic 'appeal' (only for show, to try to get them to write to you!). Yep you simply need to give them the name and address of the driver as part of a very simple appeal letter. That permanently hooks the future letters away from the lease co. Job done, then you can ignore the scam like we all do!

Do this quickly so the lease co never get another letter. Maybe send a copy to your Fleet Manager and a copy to the lease company with this BVRLA link asking why the Lease company are not up to speed yet with their Trade Body's advice to simply give driver's details because these are not real parking tickets and as long as they give the driver's info the lease company then has zero liability.

It's the driver they need to know, and they cannot then pursue the registered keeper later once they have the driver's details (a valid name and address).

Your company have played this all wrong because unless they furnish a PPC with the driver's details, potentially they can still be liable. If they simply pass on the driver's details, they are then NOT LIABLE AT ALL EVER AFTER.

Show them this and point out the bit under 'Protection of Freedoms Act':

http://www.bvrla.co.uk/Lobbying_and_Campai...egislation.aspx

So I would give them this link and say summat like:

''sorry to be fairly assertive over this issue but I am amazed that someone has taken a scam so seriously. To protect your position on this occasion now that you have actually mistakenly responded to the fake PCN, and to draw the usual private parking 'scamogram' letters to me, I have written to the parking firm myself with my own details (see attached copy letter). So your involvement in this fake PCN is now zero. I will not be held responsible for any repercussions arising from any responses you might make to the parking firm - there is absolutely no need for you to respond now and they CANNOT lawfully write to you again now they know who was driving. And as this 'fake PCN invoice' is not even covered by the 'fines' section of my car use t&cs, I will certainly not reimburse any amount if a staff member mistakes this scam impersonation for a real parking ticket and pays it.''