What percentage of England is "overcrowded"?

chewmylegoff

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Here, let me help you with that.

Well, looking at the cost of cross rail alone, its difficult to see where the money would come from, especially considering that many of the choke points in london's traffic grid are bridges, flyovers and underpasses and that it would cost horrific amounts in terms of capital expenditure and disruption to double decker them. Might be viable in planned cities built on the grid system where planners anticipated future growth, but we don't really have many of them.

Anyone wondering what life would be like if infrastructure lags behind population should spend a Saturday morning in Grenoble airport during ski season.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Here, let me help you with that.

And that's all lovely.

But how much would you have to knock down to create all of that?

How many tube lines would you have to effect to start building underground tunnels?

On a secondary point....it's just hideous, and I doubt you'd wan't to be living amongst that.

A lot of your theories appear to show a want for going backward in terms of lifestyles and living spaces, not forward. A lot of it also appears to focus on other areas apart from yours.

You gotta be looking for attention. Those are hardly solutions.

vivatifosi

Nikkster wrote: »

It could definitely do with trams.... Driving around all those roundabouts is really irritating!

I like the roundabouts! MK is very logical. I like it. In response to zag, the problem is with a population just short of 250k it wouldn't be easy to develop something similar particularly close to London in the way that the New Towns were post war as there just isn't the space. IIRC there were plans to build a new town somewhere north of Luton - Bedfordshire perhaps or north Bucks? But it never got out of planning.

chewmylegoff

vivatifosi wrote: »

I like the roundabouts! MK is very logical. I like it. In response to zag, the problem is with a population just short of 250k it wouldn't be easy to develop something similar particularly close to London in the way that the New Towns were post war as there just isn't the space. IIRC there were plans to build a new town somewhere north of Luton - Bedfordshire perhaps or north Bucks? But it never got out of planning.

What do you think of that big roundabout in Hemel which is made out of six mini roundabouts? I've never been so confused in all my life. I hope that's not the future!!

vivatifosi

chewmylegoff wrote: »

What do you think of that big roundabout in Hemel which is made out of six mini roundabouts? I've never been so confused in all my life. I hope that's not the future!!

I used to have to drive round that on my lessons. It is easy. All you have to do is treat it like six short streets in a circle with small roundabouts at the end of them, then forget the big one in the middle. It's great, because if everyone is queueing to go round one way, you just go the other.

The only time this all stops is in spring, when traffic comes to a halt when mummy duck or mummy swan troops her babies across the middle of the roundabout in rush hour.

There's another one very similar at Hatton Cross, near Heathrow. I like that one too. Have never tried the one in Swindon:o.

zagubov

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Well, looking at the cost of cross rail alone, its difficult to see where the money would come from, especially considering that many of the choke points in london's traffic grid are bridges, flyovers and underpasses and that it would cost horrific amounts in terms of capital expenditure and disruption to double decker them. Might be viable in planned cities built on the grid system where planners anticipated future growth, but we don't really have many of them.

Anyone wondering what life would be like if infrastructure lags behind population should spend a Saturday morning in Grenoble airport during ski season.

God help us, London's not much more than one blocked bridge away from being totally shut down.

When the famers were taking on the government about foxhunting, I had horrid worries they'd block the motorways airports and bridges with combine harvesters. Game over. Advantage famers.

We'd very quickly find out how valuable we were in the grand scheme of things as we tried to chew and digest our paperwork /feedback forms/ agricultural permits/ urban foxes that we managed to catch and eat.:eek:

homelessskilledworker

Oh Dear Oh Dear!!

If somehow using mainland UK as a testing area for Nuclear weapons increased property prices you would be in favour of it.

I am fine with over population in your motherland Hamish, but we have had enough of your nationality with the likes of Brown and Darling bringing England to it's knees.

Seriously, do you ever go out of your front door?

This country is over populated as it is.

zagubov

vivatifosi wrote: »

I like the roundabouts! MK is very logical. I like it. In response to zag, the problem is with a population just short of 250k it wouldn't be easy to develop something similar particularly close to London in the way that the New Towns were post war as there just isn't the space. IIRC there were plans to build a new town somewhere north of Luton - Bedfordshire perhaps or north Bucks? But it never got out of planning.

Well the point would be to not build it too close to London and the further the better. the centre of gravity of the country needs to seriously move further north.

I remember reading Dara O'Broin's bok where he mentions how Birmingham's the convention/conference sentre for Britain- London, Bristol/Cardiff and the Hull-Liverpool belt of cities are all only about two hours drive away at most. There must be other areas of the Midlands similarly convenient and defo more affordable.
!!!!!!'s wrong about using the middle of the country for something?

chewmylegoff wrote: »

What do you think of that big roundabout in Hemel which is made out of six mini roundabouts? I've never been so confused in all my life. I hope that's not the future!!

I'm familiar with the Barnton roundabout in Edinburgh which is four mini-roundabouts in a row.
I had a scary near-miss at a double-mini-roundabout in Bedford where a car with French plates sailed across inches in front of me presumably forgetting that in Britain roundabout users have right-of-way.:eek:

When my p and m came to visit me in London I took the tube to north London and drove them south to where I lived as the Hangar Lane Gyratory seemed like a scene from hell.:mad:

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

Oh Dear Oh Dear!!

If somehow using mainland UK as a testing area for Nuclear weapons increased property prices you would be in favour of it.

I am fine with over population in your motherland Hamish, but we have had enough of your nationality with the likes of Brown and Darling bringing England to it's knees.

Seriously, do you ever go out of your front door?

This country is over populated as it is.

As usual, anti-English comments nil. Anti-Scotish comments - ni- no wait -what's this - unbeleivable -for the first time ever a celt-kicking crackpot's wandered onto the forum.

He's babbling like a bigoted sleep-deprived ape. :rotfl:

On the good side- no wait, that was it.:eek:

noodle_doodle

I've lived in Milton Keynes. If that's the future, lobotomise me, in fact no wait, living in Milton Keynes will do that anyways.

It's also a very sparse way of building a town. For a town with the same population as Aberdeen, it takes up twice the area on a map.

Anyways, the fact remains that the 90% of england that isn't built on is mostly not built on because its unbuildable (3-bedroomed terrace, top of Skiddaw) or no one wants to live there. Plan a 250,000-person city in the middle of Kielder Forest and it'd look like Pripyat in 5 years. The bits people want to build on is next door to the already built bits, and when it happens it just increases the perception of it becoming ever more crowded.

kabayiri

We need a pilot city to prototype these ideas on increasing population density.

Preferably somewhere affluent, so people can afford the property. Preferably somewhere not too big that it would take too long to prove.

Let me see, that leaves...err...Aberdeen I think

Give us a shout in 2035 if it's a roaring success