Price for bricklayer to lay block work

Furts

tony6403 wrote: »

The highlighted text in post 6 attributed to me is not mine.
Referring to it , I agree with leveller.
Why aren't the carpenter's pricework charges calculated on the £80 per day rate? You imply integrity by saying that the carpenter would not drag out the work for an extra day but he quoted £310 more than was necessary for labour. Some contingency needed but the extra £310 exceeded his daywork price for the entire job.
It is certainly not my real experience that daywork arrangements work out to the benefit of those who pay the bill.

You do not seem to grasp the principle of pricework. The carpenter wants to make a profit. He will price a job according to what the market will stand. Any business does this. It is called market conditions.

Any price will include a contingency should something go wrong or there be call backs, an element of over estimating on time and a profit margin. These are fundamentals.

If the consumer wishes to avoid paying these, and take a risk, then I am suggesting daywork. If the trades are hard working and competent then there is little risk. Hence the consumer can benefit.

As a further example I had a labour only price for groundworks for a new house. It was £22000. I approached the company and proposed daywork. Based on honesty, hand shakes and traditional business practice. The risk was with me. The cost was £8000. To empthasise, this gave me £14000 as a contribution towards my build costs. I then took on bricklayers - a mix of price and daywork. Another saving to go towards other works.

It is the consumers choice how they wish to engage trades. I am simply saying do not automatically ask for a price thinking this is the cheapest option. It may not be!

leveller2911

Furts wrote: »

The trades are UK labour with overheads, families and mortgages. There is very little Eastern European labour here- they probably are tempted towards the money elsewhere. And this is not Up North. London and South East England may be OK but many areas below, say, Birmingham have been hit hard by the recession.

So where is "Here"?, is this a quiz or are you embarrassed about where you live?. I'm In East Sussex close to the Kent border.

£80-00 a day works out at around £303 a week take home,allowing for 4 weeks off a year.Out of this they have to pay for their business costs (van,van insurance,van servicing,public liability insurance,power tools,hand tools) let alone a mortgage,Council tax,Electric,Gas,food etc etc.

I'm interested to know what the general day rates are from other guys on here and area of the country.

Furts

leveller2911 wrote: »

So where is "Here"?, is this a quiz or are you embarrassed about where you live?. I'm In East Sussex close to the Kent border.

£80-00 a day works out at around £303 a week take home,allowing for 4 weeks off a year.Out of this they have to pay for their business costs (van,van insurance,van servicing,public liability insurance,power tools,hand tools) let alone a mortgage,Council tax,Electric,Gas,food etc etc.

I'm interested to know what the general day rates are from other guys on here and area of the country.

I am happy to join in posts and work in with other mse users. I do not give my location out of respect for my own privacy.

Do not think trades are necessarily happy with the rates. That is stating the obvious. As I have mentioned, this is market forces at work and contracting is going through a hard time. Perhaps you are fortunate that you are in a more affluent area of the country.

Do not take it personally - no offense intended. But these rates could filter your way if the recession continues.

I am not defending the rates - simply stating facts.

jblack_2

Round here in our area (North Essex) it's;

£170 Plumber
£170 Electrician
£160 Bricklayer
£160 Joiner
£130 Plasterer
£80 Labourer

leveller2911

Furts wrote: »

I do not give my location out of respect for my own privacy.

Say for instance you said your location was Lincolnshire and your name was Mr Furts I very much doubt anyone could find your address............ No logic .........Or is it that there may just be some Carpenters/Brickies etc from your area who are also members and would post the area rates?.........

mmm very suspicious.......;)

I'm not Mr Leveller BTW so no point looking up my name and address:D

Mr_Ted

Confidentiality is a right of anyone, not at all "suspicious"?
Seems that "hypocricy" is also prevelent eh?

john.h

jblack wrote: »

Round here in our area (North Essex) it's;

£170 Plumber
£170 Electrician
£160 Bricklayer
£160 Joiner
£130 Plasterer
£80 Labourer

In the North-East about £30 less for each trade.

leveller2911

Mr_Ted wrote: »

Confidentiality is a right of anyone, not at all "suspicious"?
Seems that "hypocricy" is also prevelent eh?[/QUOTE]


No hypocrisy from me, I asked what area Furts lives in.I clearly posted the county/area where I live.

Anyone can have confidentiality and still say which County they live in.I don't have a problem if someone doesn't feel they want to reveal the County they live in, I would take what they say with a large pinch of salt..

Definition:Hypocrisy is the state of promoting or administering virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have and is also guilty of violating.

joinaman

West Yorkshire here, would struggle to get out of bed for less than £150 + vat a day
Normal rates would be dependent on the client, blue chip £250 +, normal clients £200 +
Ran my own company for over 25 years, was charging £80 a day when I first started
The usual rates would be a minimum of £250 + vat, often more if pricework and type of works
Worked with many plumbers/sparks who thought £300 + a day was fair.
If I got any trades at low rates, I spent most of my time overseeing them to make sure they new what they were doing, which often they did not
Give then a cis card and they thing they are the bees knees !!
But
Taking acount of sick days, holidays, paperwork, travelling, insurances, elf an safety, days not working, any return visits, etc, etc, it does not leave a lot left to pay wages, accountants, etc
The so called tradesmen who now work for such low pay are killing the trades. Do you hear of solicitors/accountants working for £80 a day
If you want to work for such low pay, go on the books with a firm, cos you will never earn a decent living working for peanuts

cyclonebri1

leveller2911 wrote: »

So where is "Here"?, is this a quiz or are you embarrassed about where you live?. I'm In East Sussex close to the Kent border.

£80-00 a day works out at around £303 a week take home,allowing for 4 weeks off a year.Out of this they have to pay for their business costs (van,van insurance,van servicing,public liability insurance,power tools,hand tools) let alone a mortgage,Council tax,Electric,Gas,food etc etc.

I'm interested to know what the general day rates are from other guys on here and area of the country.

Well my "up north" comments where based on my exp in the derby/notts area. We are actually east midlands but due to being north of watford we are viewed as Northeners by anyone further south :D:D:D


The 1 thing earlier that I didn't comment on but meant to mention was that we wouldn't necessarily consider this a job for a bricklayer.
Many specialise on just this work, ie, groundworks and pavement laying, spread your net??