Cameron’s decision to call a referendum is absolutely right

Fella

In the view of Alister Heath (& me!)

http://www.cityam.com/latest-news/allister-heath/cameron-s-decision-call-referendum-absolutely-right

I fully agree that the supposed loss of trade is basically scaremongering by VIs. Rather like the pathetic "years of uncertainty" line being trotted out by Labour & the LibDems just now.

There's one angle I haven't yet seen discussed much which I think is huge: Consider - it's not just UK businesses who hate lots of the nonsense the EU inflicts on us - the same is bound to be true of businesses in every EU country. If we leave, even if we attracted 1% of those businesses from each country remaining in the EU, it would be a massive boost for our economy. And I think we'd gain way more than that. Not to mention all those other businesses not currently in the EU that would prefer the UK by virtue of it NOT being tied to endless EU regulation.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

In the view of Alister Heath (& me!)

http://www.cityam.com/latest-news/allister-heath/cameron-s-decision-call-referendum-absolutely-right

I fully agree that the supposed loss of trade is basically scaremongering by VIs. Rather like the pathetic "years of uncertainty" line being trotted out by Labour & the LibDems just now.

There's one angle I haven't yet seen discussed much which I think is huge: Consider - it's not just UK businesses who hate lots of the nonsense the EU inflicts on us - the same is bound to be true of businesses in every EU country. If we leave, even if we attracted 1% of those businesses from each country remaining in the EU, it would be a massive boost for our economy. And I think we'd gain way more than that. Not to mention all those other businesses not currently in the EU that would prefer the UK by virtue of it NOT being tied to endless EU regulation.

The devil is in the detail. What are the powers that posh boy wants repatriated....probably the working time directive, employment rights etc? So workers in this country can expect even poorer working conditions than they have now....unbelievable!:mad:

michaels

WE have a general election every 5 years.

This causes uncertainty.

Is the answer not to let voters have their say?

Admittedly that would be a very European solution to the problem...

BertieUK

David Cameron sent shockwaves through Europe as he declared Britain rejects 'ever closer union', the founding principle of the European Union, and guaranteed an in/out vote on our membership if he is prime minister after 2015.

Mr Cameron vowed to campaign for Britain to stay in - as long as Brussels agreed to renegotiate a looser, more trade-based relationship with key powers returned to Westminster.

Not being a person who understands the in's and out's of the EU fully, and I will not be alone in this thinking, why were these issues not addressed when we joined the EU...

...In June 1971, terms for Britain's membership were eventually agreed, and in October 1971 Parliament voted in favour of joining. On 1st January 1973 Britain officially became a member...

Were we far too eager to join at this time or has so much changed and gone un-noticed?

Fella

Moby wrote: »

The devil is in the detail. What are the powers that posh boy wants repatriated....probably the working time directive, employment rights etc? So workers in this country can expect even poorer working conditions than they have now....unbelievable!:mad:

Ah diddums. Is the nasty man that pays your wages expecting you to actually work for them.


Anyone who dislikes their working conditions has the option to get a different job or, whisper it quietly, actually start a business of their own & create some jobs rather than whine about how rotten the ones they're "forced" to do are.


Ever-increasing regulation a la the EU does not lead to Nirvana. It leads to recession. Take a look at what's happening in Europe right now & educate yourself.

Fella

BertieUK wrote: »

Not being a person who understands the in's and out's of the EU fully, and I will not be alone in this thinking, why were these issues not addressed when we joined the EU...

...In June 1971, terms for Britain's membership were eventually agreed, and in October 1971 Parliament voted in favour of joining. On 1st January 1973 Britain officially became a member...

Were we far too eager to join at this time or has so much changed and gone un-noticed?

As mentioned in the article in the OP, Nobody born after 1957 in the UK has ever had a chance to say what they think of an organisation that controls huge chunks of UK legislation. It's laughable that people are so angry at the talk, not of leaving the EU, but of having a VOTE on leaving the EU. All those types who are so quick to champion democracy when it suits them, are livid at the prospect we might actually get some. It's highly amusing.


(not at all aimed at u btw).

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Ah diddums. Is the nasty man that pays your wages expecting you to actually work for them.


Anyone who dislikes their working conditions has the option to get a different job or, whisper it quietly, actually start a business of their own & create some jobs rather than whine about how rotten the ones they're "forced" to do are.


Ever-increasing regulation a la the EU does not lead to Nirvana. It leads to recession. Take a look at what's happening in Europe right now & educate yourself.

Like everyone else who is reasonable....I would expect to have the working conditions of the 21st century and not Dickensian Britain. Anyone who has a problem with that is a moron!

Fella

Anyone who thinks working conditions in the 21st Century UK are Dickensian, is not only a moron, but also doesn't work.

BTW bleating on about how unfair everything is isn't reasonable. It's pathetic. If you think conditions for workers are unfair, form a business & employ some workers giving them excellent conditions.

I've actually done this (believe me or not, I truly don't care). Have you?

spacey2012

Actually he is BREAKING his promises not making them.
He promised a "Cast Iron Guarantee" in his election pledged that we would have a in out referendum in this parliament.
"Their lies was you down and their promises rust. "
So that promise has been kicked out on the floor.

Instead we now get !If I win the next election" promise
Which he wont, at best it will be another coalition.
Unless labour boot out Bitzer and put him up against ED Balls who could take an overall victory as he is a 5 oclock hero and good speaker and observer of real life.

The Lib Dems will Offer up Cable with his all mod cons style, who will be crucified over his voting for tax cuts for millionaires given the present state in 2015 as parts of the UK look like the town called malice.

So as everyone claps and waves flags, Cameron has his show of strength with his boys brigade had his !!!!! slapping from Clegg who has ordered him to boot this bitterest pill EU threat out once and for all, .

So on the Table now, Jam tomorrow, another promise, if he wins the next election.
So Never :
Who said.
Won't get fooled again...
The public gets what the public wants.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Anyone who thinks working conditions in the 21st Century UK are Dickensian, is not only a moron, but also doesn't work.

BTW bleating on about how unfair everything is isn't reasonable. It's pathetic. If you think conditions for workers are unfair, form a business & employ some workers giving them excellent conditions.

I've actually done this (believe me or not, I truly don't care). Have you?

Have I what?.......started a business. Why would I want to do that? In any event you make a claim that can't be substantiated! For all I know you could be living in a bedsit in Moss Side, sitting in your vest and boxers while you spout rubbish on the internet, like your alter ego White Horse. Why would I want to start another unwanted business, selling crap that other people don't really want. I have too much self respect for that barrow boy existence :rotfl:

Le73Uq86Uv

Do you really think he will keep his word?