Major help needed, previously sacked for alcohol problems. Reformed but bad reference

Daedalus

I have to agree with lying (if you are struggling to get a job honestly) about experience that is relevant. Don't overreach, don't lie about something that can be proved to be likely untrue, so no lying about qualifications.

Takeaway_Addict

Daedalus wrote: »

I have to agree with lying (if you are struggling to get a job honestly) about experience that is relevant. Don't overreach, don't lie about something that can be proved to be likely untrue, so no lying about qualifications.

I understand the need that some people feel to do this but its a dangerous game because if your current employers find out at any time its likely to lead to dismissal which then means you only have a longer time period to hide.

fart

Daedalus wrote: »

I have to agree with lying (if you are struggling to get a job honestly) about experience that is relevant. Don't overreach, don't lie about something that can be proved to be likely untrue, so no lying about qualifications.

It's necessary in these times when employers for the most menial of jobs want you to be qualified up to the hilt, want 5 years checkable references and all that nonsense.

When someone's paying minimum wage and are expecting you to be that sectors answer to Darwin or Einstein it helps to lie a bit if you're convinced you have the credentials to do a decent job.

I've seen cleaning jobs that want 5 years experience for £6.25 an hour. Why? In case i try to drink the bleach or something by mistake? I have loads of experience thanks, i clean my flat every day.

fart

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

I understand the need that some people feel to do this but its a dangerous game because if your current employers find out at any time its likely to lead to dismissal which then means you only have a longer time period to hide.

They're not going to find out though if you're just telling them stuff that is common sense are they?

If i go for a job in a bar and say that i've had previous experience pulling pints and cleaning but have never changed a barrel, how exactly are they going to 'find out' i've never done it before? For them to become suspicious you'd have to try and pour the pint into the wrong end of the glass or something.

By contrast you'd never go for a bar managers job without any bar experience because when it comes to budgeting and ordering and rotas etc you may well get find out. You see the difference?

Takeaway_Addict

fart wrote: »

They're not going to find out though if you're just telling them stuff that is common sense are they?

If i go for a job in a bar and say that i've had previous experience pulling pints and cleaning but have never changed a barrel, how exactly are they going to 'find out' i've never done it before? For them to become suspicious you'd have to try and pour the pint into the wrong end of the glass or something.

By contrast you'd never go for a bar managers job without any bar experience because when it comes to budgeting and ordering and rotas etc you may well get find out. You see the difference?

True, I was more talking about reason for dismissal lying etc

fart

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

True, I was more talking about reason for dismissal lying etc

Well you wouldn't tell them you'd been dismissed. It's near impossible to get work in this climate without having previously been sacked.

Daedalus

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

I understand the need that some people feel to do this but its a dangerous game because if your current employers find out at any time its likely to lead to dismissal which then means you only have a longer time period to hide.

Yes, but chances are very slim IMO, especially for entry level jobs where you stay for 6 months and then use that a genuine experience to move on. Most companies don't really do thorough checks, outside the obvious industries (finance etc). They will check the references you give and possible the qualifications if relevant, normally only degrees.

Of course it isn't without risk, but for many the risk is worth it to get a foot on the ladder.

Not to mention many companies have a 'Dates, duties, and means of exit', quit before you are pushed and most companies won't say anything.

It is all about checkable facts, the less checkable it is the more likely you are to get away with it, even if you are pushed.