Major help needed, previously sacked for alcohol problems. Reformed but bad reference

Takeaway_Addict

Thanks for the update and congratulations

Daedalus

jdwnorton wrote: »

Just to update I did in fact successfully secure a new job in July, I've only been there a month but already the boss says he is very happy with me so far .

At long last I have some prospects for the future .
Big thanks to all the kind hearted people on here :T

Congrats, goes to show motivation is the biggest barrier to work.

zenmaster

Well done, mate. I hope it all goes well from now on.

There, but for the grace of God ...

fart

This will be frowned upon, but needs must - just lie.

I've lied for every proper job i've ever had. People do it all the time. They lie in interviews, 'embellish' CV's...you know the old chestnut 'So why do you want to work for Asda?' and you have to make up some nonsense about wanting to be part of the team when the reality is that jobseekers isn't enough to live on.

Tell them you were working self-employed with a variety of different businesses and ventures and you can only get character references - surely there must be people willing to give you them?

EDIT: ignore that, well done OP!

Savvy_Sue

The problem with lying is always remembering exactly what vagueness you spouted, and never getting tripped up.

Better to be honest, IMO.

But really pleased for the OP, and hope you maintain your recovery!

fart

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

The problem with lying is always remembering exactly what vagueness you spouted, and never getting tripped up.

Better to be honest, IMO.

But really pleased for the OP, and hope you maintain your recovery!

Better to have a job, IMO. Either way, OP got there so well done to him. :T

Cate1976

Congratulations on the new job, hope it goes well.

makeyourdaddyproud

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

The problem with lying is always remembering exactly what vagueness you spouted, and never getting tripped up.

Better to be honest, IMO.

But really pleased for the OP, and hope you maintain your recovery!

Not unless it is well rehearsed.

In this recessive employment market, lying if done convincingly, gets you everywhere.

To cover or mask an employer, say you were in business but get a professional website and business cards proving you were in business.

Get some business referees.

Firing employer is now history.

fart

makeyourdaddyproud wrote: »

Not unless it is well rehearsed.

In this recessive employment market, lying if done convincingly, gets you everywhere.

To cover or mask an employer, say you were in business but get a professional website and business cards proving you were in business.

Get some business referees.

Firing employer is now history.

I've always lied, but only when the job was within my capabilities.

For instance, i've gone for jobs where the remit has been maintaining gardens where the person didn't need to have knowledge of plants, it was merely a 'keeping tidy and in good appearance' type of gig.

I've never had that sort of job, but a monkey could have done the job, so i said some of our previous contracts had included this sort of work and that i had experience in it.

These are the sorts of jobs that anyone can do yet they want you to have 'experience'. Like call centres. You need 'experience'. What, to be able to listen to people and be polite on the end of a phone? Lie away!

The one thing i'd never suggest though is to just blatantly lie to get into a job you have no chance of doing successfully. IE, going for a bar manager's position and lying that you've got experience because you once spent a summer working in a pub's kitchen is not ok, IMO.

makeyourdaddyproud

fart wrote: »

I've always lied, but only when the job was within my capabilities.

For instance, i've gone for jobs where the remit has been maintaining gardens where the person didn't need to have knowledge of plants, it was merely a 'keeping tidy and in good appearance' type of gig.

I've never had that sort of job, but a monkey could have done the job, so i said some of our previous contracts had included this sort of work and that i had experience in it.

These are the sorts of jobs that anyone can do yet they want you to have 'experience'. Like call centres. You need 'experience'. What, to be able to listen to people and be polite on the end of a phone? Lie away!

The one thing i'd never suggest though is to just blatantly lie to get into a job you have no chance of doing successfully. IE, going for a bar manager's position and lying that you've got experience because you once spent a summer working in a pub's kitchen is not ok, IMO.

I was referring to the lying or "masking off" of employment history. Yes, it would be foolish to overstate your capability as you would only get found out.

But, I knew someone who actually planned to get fired by deliberately lying about his capability. He would take on jobs way above his capability on the premise that his employer would agree to let him leave, but paid up to the end of the month on that notionally higher pay.

He said he worked this system for 3 years earning 3x what he would have got by being honest. Because of his early terminations, he was able to forge aprox 2 months of free time in each year.

He put the short spells down to part time jobs. In many cases, the employer wasn't even interested in his past employment.