Holiday Entitlement and Bank Holidays

mommacrab

anamenottaken wrote: »

No: they are entitled to all of any bank holiday on which they would otherwise be working but the whole day is deducted from their entitlement. What happens to the job share person is of no consequence. The comparison is not with them, it is with a full-time person and their total entitlement.

If they only have a half day deducted from their entitlement when they don't work on a bank holiday when they would otherwise be working, it would be unfair in that they would be getting more holiday - after all they are still not going to be working for the half day not counted as paid leave in your method.

I'm a little confused by your post but I'll try to clarify my post a bit better.

Please bear in mind that I can only go by my experience of working a job share in Local Government. The full time equivalent was 37 hours over 5 days. So both my self and the job-share colleague worked 18.5 hours each (2.5 days each).

We were both entitled to an equal share of all bank holidays.

I worked all day Monday and Tuesday, as well as Wednesday morning. The job-share colleague worked Wednesday afternoon and all day Thursday and Friday.

The first bank holiday of the work calendar year was Good Friday. As we are both entitled to half of every bank holiday, I was credited with a half day and the job-share had a debit of a half day although she had the full day off.

This system is used for every bank holiday. Mostly bank holiday Mondays so my job-share colleague had credits to her leave whereas I had more debits.

We were able to work back these debit hours or use our flexi-time credits to cover them. The only other alternative is to use some of our annual leave to cover the debit in working time.

I hope this makes some more sense.


Bank holidays are a bit of a mystery now I work in retail.

Torry_Quine

mommacrab wrote: »

I'm a little confused by your post but I'll try to clarify my post a bit better.

Please bear in mind that I can only go by my experience of working a job share in Local Government. The full time equivalent was 37 hours over 5 days. So both my self and the job-share colleague worked 18.5 hours each (2.5 days each).

We were both entitled to an equal share of all bank holidays.

I worked all day Monday and Tuesday, as well as Wednesday morning. The job-share colleague worked Wednesday afternoon and all day Thursday and Friday.

The first bank holiday of the work calendar year was Good Friday. As we are both entitled to half of every bank holiday, I was credited with a half day and the job-share had a debit of a half day although she had the full day off.

This system is used for every bank holiday. Mostly bank holiday Mondays so my job-share colleague had credits to her leave whereas I had more debits.

We were able to work back these debit hours or use our flexi-time credits to cover them. The only other alternative is to use some of our annual leave to cover the debit in working time.

I hope this makes some more sense.


Bank holidays are a bit of a mystery now I work in retail.

It makes no sense at all.

If a bank holiday fell on a Friday when you didn't work then it should have had no effect on your leave allowance. Your colleague however who worked Fridays should have to use a day from her allowance. Both of you would have in total 1/2 of the full time allowance.

mommacrab

Torry_Quine wrote: »

It makes no sense at all.

If a bank holiday fell on a Friday when you didn't work then it should have had no effect on your leave allowance. Your colleague however who worked Fridays should have to use a day from her allowance. Both of you would have in total 1/2 of the full time allowance.

I'm only going by the job-share scheme rules where I worked.

Full-time posts are entitled to each bank holiday paid.
Job-share posts are entitled to each bank holiday paid on a pro-rota basis. I worked half the week so was entitled to half of each bank holiday paid and the other half either unpaid or deducted from my annual leave entitlement.

Makes sense to me.

LittleVoice

mommacrab wrote: »

I'm a little confused by your post but I'll try to clarify my post a bit better.

Please bear in mind that I can only go by my experience of working a job share in Local Government. The full time equivalent was 37 hours over 5 days. So both my self and the job-share colleague worked 18.5 hours each (2.5 days each).

We were both entitled to an equal share of all bank holidays.

I worked all day Monday and Tuesday, as well as Wednesday morning. The job-share colleague worked Wednesday afternoon and all day Thursday and Friday.

The first bank holiday of the work calendar year was Good Friday. As we are both entitled to half of every bank holiday, I was credited with a half day and the job-share had a debit of a half day although she had the full day off.

This system is used for every bank holiday. Mostly bank holiday Mondays so my job-share colleague had credits to her leave whereas I had more debits.

We were able to work back these debit hours or use our flexi-time credits to cover them. The only other alternative is to use some of our annual leave to cover the debit in working time.

I hope this makes some more sense.


Bank holidays are a bit of a mystery now I work in retail.

So, as you would normally work on more bank holidays than she did and yet lost only half a day of a full holiday entitlement, you had more holiday than she did. Was she not annoyed? I would have been given that I was sharing a job but not getting as much holiday as the other person.

Torry_Quine

mommacrab wrote: »

I'm only going by the job-share scheme rules where I worked.

Full-time posts are entitled to each bank holiday paid.
Job-share posts are entitled to each bank holiday paid on a pro-rota basis. I worked half the week so was entitled to half of each bank holiday paid and the other half either unpaid or deducted from my annual leave entitlement.

Makes sense to me.

Of course it makes sense to you, you got extra holidays. :rotfl:

How does it work in your present job?

mommacrab

LittleVoice wrote: »

So, as you would normally work on more bank holidays than she did and yet lost only half a day of a full holiday entitlement, you had more holiday than she did. Was she not annoyed? I would have been given that I was sharing a job but not getting as much holiday as the other person.

Sorry, perhaps I should clarify this a bit more.

For every bank holiday we would both get half the day paid. Most bank holidays fall on a Monday so I would have to work back the hours or use my annual leave for half the day. My job-share colleague would be credited for the other half of the day, which they could take off as and when required. Vice Versa if the bank holiday fell at the end of the week, such as Good Friday or if Christmas fell at the end of the week.

mommacrab

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Of course it makes sense to you, you got extra holidays. :rotfl:

How does it work in your present job?

I didn't get extra holidays. We were both entitled to the same amount of paid bank holidays - two people sharing a full time post means you share all the bank holidays. I believe there are eight bank holidays a year (apart from jubilee years) so we were both entitled to eight half days paid bank holidays per annum. That's what I meant by making sense to me.

In my current post we are paid bank holidays on a pro-rota basis. However I now work in retail and we are required, under our contracts, to work 50% of the bank holidays. We accrue the bank holiday entitlement to take time off at our request.

paddedjohn

mommacrab wrote: »

I didn't get extra holidays. We were both entitled to the same amount of paid bank holidays - two people sharing a full time post means you share all the bank holidays. I believe there are eight bank holidays a year (apart from jubilee years) so we were both entitled to eight half days paid bank holidays per annum. That's what I meant by making sense to me.

In my current post we are paid bank holidays on a pro-rota basis. However I now work in retail and we are required, under our contracts, to work 50% of the bank holidays. We accrue the bank holiday entitlement to take time off at our request.

Your story would only make sense if your jobshare was mornings and afternoons. If you dont normally work a bank holiday and your company closes then you dont get credited with the day, you just dont get any of your entitlement removed.

Torry_Quine

mommacrab wrote: »

I didn't get extra holidays. We were both entitled to the same amount of paid bank holidays - two people sharing a full time post means you share all the bank holidays. I believe there are eight bank holidays a year (apart from jubilee years) so we were both entitled to eight half days paid bank holidays per annum. That's what I meant by making sense to me.

In my current post we are paid bank holidays on a pro-rota basis. However I now work in retail and we are required, under our contracts, to work 50% of the bank holidays. We accrue the bank holiday entitlement to take time off at our request.

Put it like this. You were entitled to 19.5 days leave in total. If there are five bank holidays on a Monday or Tuesday then that left 14.5 days for you to take. The other person also had 19.5 days in total. If there were three bank hlidays on Thursday or Friday then that left 16.5 days in total. Any bank holiday falling on a Wednesday would reduce the entitlement of both of you by .5 days.

Anything else was just wrong!

getmore4less

mommacrab

Makes sense to me.

You get 1/2 the bank holidays, allocated as 1/2 day on the actual BH.

If you normaly work the day but take it as holiday, you are 1/2 day short so use holiday allowance or make up hours.

if you don't normaly work the day you get 1/2 day added to your allowance to be used at another time.

Works the same as adding the BH holidays(prorata) to the allowance in the first place.