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The BBC's "Growing up poor". Poverty seen up close
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Who would fight for this country? Fools.0
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grizzly1911 wrote: »Why do we need to spend this much?
We sit here nice and comfy in the UK getting quietly fatter and softer slowly forgetting that it's a tough old world out there. When France(!) is kicking something off we should be paying very close attention.
The budget is part real defence - part insurance policy. We have to stay ahead technologically because there are people who would like to see us all dead who are leaner, meaner and more committed.
I wonder if the young man concerned made his way to a recruitment centre.0 -
At the end of the episode the BBC caption was somethign along the lines of youth unemployment is forecast to continue to rise next year.
Didn't say who the forecast was from.
'Continue' would imply that it is currently rising - my understanding was that it had fallen by more than 5% since it peaked in the summer?
Luckily the beeb is entirely impartial and has no agenda.I think....0 -
In a Commons debate earlier this week about the 1% cap on benefits rises, one or more Labour MPs described it as "Dickensian".
Do these ignoramuses not know that in Dickens' time if you were too poor to support yourself you probably ended up in the workhouse ? Or do they know that, but imagine that the sort of voters they are trying to attract would not know it, and might be duped by such preposterous hype ?
Either way it is depressing that a number of tax paying, self-supporting citizens who are being taken for ride by the welfare system will nevertheless go out and vote for the cretins that would make such a fatuous remark.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »In a Commons debate earlier this week about the 1% cap on benefits rises, one or more Labour MPs described it as "Dickensian".
Do these ignoramuses not know that in Dickens' time if you were too poor to support yourself you probably ended up in the workhouse ? Or do they know that, but imagine that the sort of voters they are trying to attract would not know it, and might be duped by such preposterous hype ?
Either way it is depressing that a number of tax paying, self-supporting citizens who are being taken for ride by the welfare system will nevertheless go out and vote for the cretins that would make such a fatuous remark.
Guess you'd enjoy playing Scrooge.;)
Of course Bob Crachit was a striver."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Guess you'd enjoy playing Scrooge.;)
Of course Bob Crachit was a striver.
Yes, Scrooge as he was by the end of the book -- a fine fellow.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Yes, Scrooge as he was by the end of the book -- a fine fellow.
Still time then."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »In a Commons debate earlier this week about the 1% cap on benefits rises, one or more Labour MPs described it as "Dickensian".
Do these ignoramuses not know that in Dickens' time if you were too poor to support yourself you probably ended up in the workhouse ? Or do they know that, but imagine that the sort of voters they are trying to attract would not know it, and might be duped by such preposterous hype ?
Either way it is depressing that a number of tax paying, self-supporting citizens who are being taken for ride by the welfare system will nevertheless go out and vote for the cretins that would make such a fatuous remark.
And in our time, if you are too poor to support yourself and can't get a job, you end up on workfare.0 -
That is right the workhouse was "Dickensian" and had been introduced to avoid the no longer fit for purpose "parish" relief systems.
"Workfare" is an inherently sensible method for getting those unable to sell their labour for minimum wage to earn some sort of support and get out and about meeting other people.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »
Wiki also suggests we have the 4th biggest spend are our forces. Why do we need to spend this much?
Most of it goes on bailing out on bailing out the UK defence industry.0
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