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MP's want 32% pay rise....
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lets not forget. 83k is next to nothing when you sell your soul to the devil.
All mps will be going straight to hell imho.0 -
Thats probably a pay cut when you take expenses into account.0
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The pay ought to reflect the fact that we want competent MPs enough of whom are capable of being Ministers.
I would agree to them receiving £80K provided they undertake to attend work each day, not accept paid employment from other sources and agree to publish a log that states what they are doing in their daily activities. I see no reason to pay them £80K if they are moonlighting as a barrister or a reality TV star and not putting in a full days work.
My cynical view is that many want it introduced before they lose their final salary pension, a great way to revalue your pension benefits when you are taking them away from the rest of the public sector.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Someone with the skills, education and real life experience to be successful in the real world.
I'd like to see MP's that understand business because they've been successful business people. That understand science or medicine or law because they've been successful in those fields.
And yes, we have a few of those, but most got elected because they were a community councillor and sucked up to the local party apparatus.
I'd like to see us hire the best people in the country to lead it.
Top managers, entrepreneurs, leaders in their field.
And you wont get that for 65K a year.
Don't you get those sort of people in the House of Lords that we are trying to scrap?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
The MP's have forced through an across the board payrise of 1% to the Public/Civil Service. Therefore as they are are Public/Civil servents this should include them.
However, as they managed to change the terms and conditions of every public/Civil servant with regards to the pension scheme, yet did not reciprocate those changes to their own pension, I doubt very much they will feel they have any moral right to do anything but provide themselves with such a disgraceful increase.[SIZE=-1]To equate judgement and wisdom with occupation is at best . . . insulting.
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However, as they managed to change the terms and conditions of every public/Civil servant with regards to the pension scheme, yet did not reciprocate those changes to their own pension,
" Like other public service pensions, MPs’ pensions are now increased in line with the Consumer Prices Index (CPI), rather than the Retail Prices Index (RPI)"
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN062830 -
On the question of their salary, as I understand it, some years ago they were benchmarked against a particular civil service salary grade (don't know which one). The salary for those CS has gone up but the politicians' salary has not.
As far as that is concerned, I would be content to see that benchmark parity restored. Once done, they should get nothing more than the overall salary position of other CS: pay freeze for 2-3 years, followed by 1% per annum indicated at present for the next 2 years.
However, as far as their pensions are concerned:The MP's have forced through an across the board payrise of 1% to the Public/Civil Service. Therefore as they are are Public/Civil servents this should include them.
However, as they managed to change the terms and conditions of every public/Civil servant with regards to the pension scheme, yet did not reciprocate those changes to their own pension, I doubt very much they will feel they have any moral right to do anything but provide themselves with such a disgraceful increase." Like other public service pensions, MPs’ pensions are now increased in line with the Consumer Prices Index (CPI), rather than the Retail Prices Index (RPI)"
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN06283
All other CS pensions will be career average from 2015, while MPs pensions will not be.
CS pension contributions are going up every year - I don't know whether the MPs' contributions are too.
If "we're all in this together" then that means "all".0 -
All other CS pensions will be career average from 2015, while MPs pensions will not be.
CS pension contributions are going up every year - I don't know whether the MPs' contributions are too.
If "we're all in this together" then that means "all".
To be fair MP's do make a significant contribution to their final salary pension but they get a lot for it.
From April 2012, MPs’ contribution rates increased by 1.85% to: 13.75% (for members with a 1/40th accrual rate); 9.75% (1/50th accrual rate); and 7.75% (1/60th accrual rate).
So after 20 years service now paying 13.5% they will get a £32K pension indexed to CPI. Obviously if they got a salary of £83K this woiuld be £41K/year. Its also not clear if there is a maximum number of years but the pension can be paid in full at 65. They do have other less favourable pension schemes but 95% opt for the 1/40ths scheme, not sure why:D
It is intended to change the scheme to a career average, retire at 68 scheme based on 1/60ths for a contribution rate of 5.5% but this change is still being discussed and may not happen until 2015 or so.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CH0QFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2FSN06283.pdf&ei=pZXwUIvTD6Sx0QWizYDICg&usg=AFQjCNHgSorhAYTelJAvJtOZGb62uy3gpg&sig2=6gsKiTAXitLz41Rq_dkRkAFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I know that my position won't be popular on this, but if we don't want monkeys, we got to pay more than peanuts. If the choice for someone is either standing as an MP for £60-70k a year or taking on a job managing as financial director for a health trust and get £90k a year then you can't blame people for putting their families first. If you look at what we get for what we pay compared to other countries we have a very cheap system that is amazingly free of corruption. I'm all for keeping it that way and if that means paying a couple of hundred people 25% more then I can live with that.
To get a job as aFinancial Director surely they would need to be professionally qualified, experienced, capable, have good references , undertake various assessments and interviews to demonstrate that they can undertake the role and add value.
Methinks a good number of our MPs and a few Ministers would fall at some or all of those hurdles.
Good idea to make it a couple of hundred though.;)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Someone with the skills, education and real life experience to be successful in the real world.
I'd like to see MP's that understand business because they've been successful business people. That understand science or medicine or law because they've been successful in those fields.
I'd like to see us hire the best people in the country to lead it.
Top managers, entrepreneurs, leaders in their field.
And you wont get that for 65K a year.
Or age 40."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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