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Now then...lower benefits for the Northerners ??
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Nothing new there then
We'll see. Meanwhile those drawing benefits in the regions can await developments with bated breath ...No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Well we'll see won't we. Having raised it they will either have to put it down as some think tank idea that didn't pan out and drop it, or follow it up. If they follow it up they will have to come up with the data, and since it will be scrutinised to death it will need to be sound. There are two separate but related issues :-- Will reliable data be produced to show significant regional cost of living differences ? If so, should and will benefits and public sector pay be adjusted to equalise them in real terms ?
This government commissioned report into market facing pay for civil servants was published last month. It was immediately dropped as it showed that a large percentage of the civil service across the UK were, in fact, paid below market rates for the equivalent jobs in the private sector.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=civil+service+market+facing+hay&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fupdate.cabinetoffice.gov.uk%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fresources%2FCO_Market_Facing_Pay_Report-10-Dec%252012.PDF&ei=o8XtUKikBsLI0QXooIFg&usg=AFQjCNGsTnq_0lCYGyFHJcwjr0AbNuQp3w"When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson0 -
You are assuming that the family are making logical, rational financial decisions without the influence of the world around them. No one does that! They probably live in a world in which drug/alcohol/loan sharks/limited education/poor life choices/poor housing/domestic violence etc are the major factors which affect their financial choices.I'm not sure why children are going hungry when a family of four gets almost £260 a week after housing costs can you explain.
The right wing 'personal responsibility' line sounds hollow I'm afraid when you deal in the reality on the ground day in day out as I do!0 -
You are assuming that the family are making logical, rational financial decisions without the influence of the world around them. No one does that! They probably live in a world in which drug/alcohol/loan sharks/limited education/poor life choices/poor housing/domestic violence etc are the major factors which affect their financial choices.
The right wing 'personal responsibility' line sounds hollow I'm afraid when you deal in the reality on the ground day in day out as I do!
That's all well and good but you can't expect people in work to bail out other people repeatedly for their own bad decisions.0 -
You are assuming that the family are making logical, rational financial decisions without the influence of the world around them. No one does that! They probably live in a world in which drug/alcohol/loan sharks/limited education/poor life choices/poor housing/domestic violence etc are the major factors which affect their financial choices.
The right wing 'personal responsibility' line sounds hollow I'm afraid when you deal in the reality on the ground day in day out as I do!
Then more effort should be put into inproving the situation I don't see throwing money at the people fueling the problems is the ans.
I was bought up on a council estate and they fucnctioned very well then and even if it is hard you have to bear some responsiblity for your own decisions.0 -
You are assuming that the family are making logical, rational financial decisions without the influence of the world around them. No one does that! They probably live in a world in which drug/alcohol/loan sharks/limited education/poor life choices/poor housing/domestic violence etc are the major factors which affect their financial choices.
The right wing 'personal responsibility' line sounds hollow I'm afraid when you deal in the reality on the ground day in day out as I do!
Too bad. It's a tough competitive world out there and the UK needs to compete for the benefit of all. We can't carry too many passengers, dragging us down. Those who make serial bad decision and who can't or won't take personal responsibility will be disadvantaged, and they have to be. That's the real world.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
That's all well and good but you can't expect people in work to bail out other people repeatedly for their own bad decisions.
You mean like the banks
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
That's all well and good but you can't expect people in work to bail out other people repeatedly for their own bad decisions.Then more effort should be put into inproving the situation I don't see throwing money at the people fueling the problems is the ans.
I was bought up on a council estate and they fucnctioned very well then and even if it is hard you have to bear some responsiblity for your own decisions.GeorgeHowell wrote: »Too bad. It's a tough competitive world out there and the UK needs to compete for the benefit of all. We can't carry too many passengers, dragging us down. Those who make serial bad decision and who can't or won't take personal responsibility will be disadvantaged, and they have to be. That's the real world.
You are all right in your responses and I tend to agree with the sentiment.
That is the perfect world.
The world isn't perfect.
Society has helped create this problem and punishing them is going to do little to correct the situation. If you want to treat them like dogs you will know that dogs need incentives not beatings. Dogs that are bored are often troublesome."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »You are all right in your responses and I tend to agree with the sentiment.
That is the perfect world.
The world isn't perfect.
Society has helped create this problem and punishing them is going to do little to correct the situation. If you want to treat them like dogs you will know that dogs need incentives not beatings. Dogs that are bored are often troublesome.
I think it is possible for a family of 4 to have a reasonable life on £250 a week after rent and council tax and that they would not need an additional £64 for each additional child and don't think reducing the amount they get for additional children would be treating them like dogs.
I think the balance between reward and punishment has swung to far in the wrong direction.0 -
I think it is possible for a family of 4 to have a reasonable life on £250 a week after rent and council tax and that they would not need an additional £64 for each additional child and don't think reducing the amount they get for additional children would be treating them like dogs.
I think the balance between reward and punishment has swung to far in the wrong direction.
That is with your view of the world. As I said I tend to agree with your point of view. I am sure that many families do live adequately within the constraints you suggest.
Children don't come cheap, particularly when they go to Secondary school. £200+ per year on uniforms and items specified by the school. Yes some thing may be available secondhand but children do have a habit of wearing things out or growing out of them at an alarming rate.
I doubt someone at DWP picked a figure out of the air and said let them throw a party. I suspect some thought went into arriving at the figures used.
When things go wrong it is usually for a variety of reasons, problems compound and get out of control for some. Society tempts them, some do not have the ability to say no."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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