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Official: BASEL 3 liquidity rules eased

HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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edited 6 January 2013 at 9:22PM in Debate House Prices & the Economy
Internationals financial regulators have eased rules on minimum quantities of cash and liquid assets all banks must hold, set to take effect in 2015.

Analysts say the rules just announced are more flexible than a draft version.

The new version allows banks to hold a broader range of eligible assets, including some shares, corporate bonds, and high-quality residential mortgage backed securities.


Analysts had warned that over-stringent standards could reduce lending and stifle economic growth.

The new version allows banks to hold a broader range of eligible assets, including some shares, corporate bonds, and high-quality residential mortgage backed securities.

It also gives them more time to comply with the new standards.

The head of oversight body's head, Mervyn King, said the timeframe ensures the rules "will in no way hinder the ability of the global banking system to finance the recovery".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20928354

A number of posters claimed that complying with the new rules would effectively prevent lending from growing for the foreseeable future.

That no longer appears to be the case.

(And congrats to Generali for predicting this some time ago.)

More interestingly, Residential Mortgage Backed Securities have returned to the list of acceptable assets to hold as part of the liquidity buffer.

And that will likely be something of a game changer.;)
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

-- President John F. Kennedy”
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  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Banks won't be best pleased. One of their best excuses for not lending has been taken away - they'll think of something else I'm sure.
  • CLAPTON
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    Banks won't be best pleased. One of their best excuses for not lending has been taken away - they'll think of something else I'm sure.


    why would a bank not want to lend ?
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    Banks won't be best pleased. One of their best excuses for not lending has been taken away - they'll think of something else I'm sure.

    Depends what is allowed under the definition high-quality residential mortgage backed securities to.

    Await BASEL IV.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    Apparently all UK banks now exceed the requirements under the new rules, a full 7 years before they need to be implemented.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    why would a bank not want to lend ?

    Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
  • quick - buy a house!
    FACT.
  • Graham_Devon
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    Will it actually change anything considering this wasn't implemented, and no doubt the above will never bve implemented either?

    When I say change anything, I mean will banks suddenly lend more because legislation that wasn't even implemented has got looser?

    Seems to me, at the moment, the less they lend at their own risk, the more rewards they get in terms of government support?
  • Thrugelmir
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    Banks won't be best pleased. One of their best excuses for not lending has been taken away - they'll think of something else I'm sure.

    The relaxation makes little difference to UK banks. As majority are well above the requirements to comply with the 2015 level.

    Basle 3 is a global regulation. So problems lie elsewhere. Spain being an obvious contender at the moment.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    Depends what is allowed under the definition high-quality residential mortgage backed securities .

    Well with the possible exception of the relatively tiny NRAM holdings, almost all UK RMBS should fall under that criteria.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Generali
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20928354

    A number of posters claimed that complying with the new rules would effectively prevent lending from growing for the foreseeable future.

    That no longer appears to be the case.

    (And congrats to Generali for predicting this some time ago.)

    More interestingly, Residential Mortgage Backed Securities have returned to the list of acceptable assets to hold as part of the liquidity buffer.

    And that will likely be something of a game changer.;)

    We go back to a position where banks can lend money to people to buy houses again. I'll try to have a look at the new agreement at some point to see what it means for high LTV lending as that's one of the important bits.

    This is good news and was inevitable really. The old version of the agreement was crazy and really only addressed the issues of the last bust. In some ways that is inevitable, in the words of the cliche the Central Banks are old Generals fighting the last war.
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