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Current a level students won't get a pension till 77... Lets cut boomers pensions NOW
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interesting debate on LBC this morning asking if we should means test the state pension, said that we should see NI contributions as an insurance policy so that you only get a state pension if you need it. Where the cut off would be i don't know but its worth debating
I will always need it;) (when I'm entitled to it after paying taxes an NI for my working life). As I chose to forsake lots foreign holidays and consumerist discretionary items to accumulate savings that has nothing to do with it either.
If not I expect a full refund as I have payed under false pretenses. Might even see a class action in the ECHRs.
Lots of tax fraud and avoidance to be recovered yet."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
interesting debate on LBC this morning asking if we should means test the state pension, said that we should see NI contributions as an insurance policy so that you only get a state pension if you need it. Where the cut off would be i don't know but its worth debating
Latest figures show the level of NI contributions covers the bill for the state pension...£96bn and £90bn ??...but its forecast to rise over a decade..
I firmly believe we wouldn't be hearing of means testing if we had a growing world economy...well not half as much anyway.
Its the deficit ...thats the bother with the government...they can't get it down before the next election...theres no giveaways for the voters.
Just imagine we had a balanced budget does anyone really believe they would cost cut and reduce the national debt...its only been done 6 times in 35 years...you can't blame all that on Labour.
If there was any leeway the government would be cutting the top rate of tax and maybe corporation tax...not the national debt..0 -
interesting debate on LBC this morning asking if we should means test the state pension, said that we should see NI contributions as an insurance policy so that you only get a state pension if you need it. Where the cut off would be i don't know but its worth debating
It does seem the modern way to float these ideas into the public consciousness to try and ease their acceptance.
I remember similar discussions on QE on radio shows like 5 live, well before the concept was used.
I reckon there is a good chance of means testing in the future. I also think the idea of a one-off levy on property to pay for care home costs will resurface.0 -
I'm 99% certain the State Pension will be means tested when I retire. If it even exists.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0
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I'm 99% certain the State Pension will be means tested when I retire. If it even exists.
This is also my way of thinking too. I think that within the next decade the Pension Scheme will get watered down to a point that people will be left with little option to get out their own personal pension scheme which will maybe be encouraged by way of Income tax relief of some sort.
State benefits will be far harder to obtain and not as easy as it is now.0 -
This is also my way of thinking too. I think that within the next decade the Pension Scheme will get watered down to a point that people will be left with little option to get out their own personal pension scheme which will maybe be encouraged by way of Income tax relief of some sort.
State benefits will be far harder to obtain and not as easy as it is now.
is this a joke?
pension payments receive tax relief now (and have done for at least 50 years)
virtually all the evidence is that personal (private) pensions will die out within 30 yearsEU tariff on agricultual product 12.2%
some dairy products 42.1% cloths 11.4%
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This is also my way of thinking too. I think that within the next decade the Pension Scheme will get watered down to a point that people will be left with little option to get out their own personal pension scheme which will maybe be encouraged by way of Income tax relief of some sort.
State benefits will be far harder to obtain and not as easy as it is now.
They already are encouraged by tax relief and have been for many moons. Coastline, I believe, posted some interesting ball park figures recently for how this particularly benefits 40% tax payers.
There is mileage left in reducing those benefits before the state pension comes under wholesale attack.
Who knows the economy may be booming before that happens with all the good news we are seeing.
We mustn't forget clawback for those with personal pensions that already reduces the benefit of the full amount of state pension paid. With the recent good news on pension fund valuations perhaps that may be eased?
At the end of all this if we are still a high cost society to live in, many people simply won't be able to fund anything more than an equivalent basic pension but tax won't be reduced. Because they have a basic pension they won't be entitled to any additional state assistance.
Better not forget that graduates will already be paying around 5% of salary in student loan repayments (current figures based on a salary of say 45K).
It makes you wonder, with all this provision, if people will actually have anything to consume whilst they are alive. Amongst all this pain taxation will not be reduced."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
is this a joke?
pension payments receive tax relief now (and have done for at least 50 years)
virtually all the evidence is that personal (private) pensions will die out within 30 years
Genuine question - where can I find this evidence?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Genuine question - where can I find this evidence?
the tax situation is obviously known to you as payments to pensions are tax free at your highest rate
numerous articles document the fall in the number of people with any private provision
too late tonight and I'm away most of tomorrow but I will try to find the figures showing the decline especially amongst the youngEU tariff on agricultual product 12.2%
some dairy products 42.1% cloths 11.4%
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