Wher can we get help from

FireWyrm

They are entitled to sign on for any period of unemployment. They need to go back and do so. Tell the twit at the desk that you are doing this regardless.

No one is going to hand them a job...I keep saying it. Dont bother with the stupid job centre, it was useless 20 years ago and its still useless. Go to where the jobs are and ASK. Good old fashioned pavement pounding often works wonders where the job centre fails miserably.

No one will give them a job? I signed on with 20 agencies. I took ANY job offered for any length of time from hours to days (very occassionally a week or two). That meant that I had a reputation with them. If they called, I answered and I took the job. Its not rocket science.

mim1234

FireWyrm wrote: »

Please dont take this the wrong way but you seem to be making excuses for them. Only teenages? I was 14 when my mother walked out and left me and my (then 61 year old) father destitute. He was about as useful at housekeeping as a chocolate teapot so I set to work. At 16, he had a stroke, I'd been running the house for the best part of 2 years and keeping us afloat, best I could. I left college and went to work because I was told by the DSS that because I had never worked, I wasnt entitled to any 'help' even though there was literally nothing in the house to eat and no money to buy it with. I worked any job, anywhere, any length of time. I did days, nights, weekends, bank holidays and sometimes days and nights back to back to make any money at all, I'm not kidding. I literally came off a night shift at 6am, came home, had a shower and went onto a day shift somewhere else. I did that for quite a while. I was young and I could do it and it was necessary for survival.

I wasnt concerned with gadgets, or sky or anything that wasnt directly helping to feed us.

That's what they should be doing. Either they are adults, or they arnt. Time to step up and grow up I'm afraid. Life is sometimes hard and unfair, but no one owes them a living and no one is going to hand them a job. They have to go and bang on doors and god forbid, beg for a chance at a job. That;s the way life is and time they learned.

:T dont take this the wrong way, but are you for real...............you are obviously not a teenager in this day and age are you. i did exactly the same as you, you could walk out of one job and walk into another on the same day.they didnt have gadgets in your day. things change, this is life today. They are adults, they have stepped up, and they can manage on their own. but like i said these jobs stop for 3 months, and they didnt make enough money to save. its unfortunate, but s--- happens. AT LEAST THEY HAVE NEVER SAT ON THEIR !!!!!! DOING NOTHING, AND JUST THINK THAT THE REST US WILL PAY FOR THEM TO BE ON THE DOLE, AND PAY THEIR RENT AND THEIR COUNCIL TAX. They are NOT lazy teenagers who dont want to work, or go having babies so they dont have to work. They do actually want jobs. But for 3 MONTHS THIS YEAR they need help.............3 MONTHS........3 MONTHS..........that is all. Anyone can fall on hard times, anyone at all. Anyway all i wanted to know was, does anyone know where they can help from for , well actually it will only be 6 weeks now. I dont need to know your life story firewyrm. jeeeeees forums they are all the same arent they, just a place where people like to argue

FireWyrm

mim1234 wrote: »

:T dont take this the wrong way, but are you for real...............you are obviously not a teenager in this day and age are you. i did exactly the same as you, you could walk out of one job and walk into another on the same day.they didnt have gadgets in your day. things change, this is life today. They are adults, they have stepped up, and they can manage on their own. but like i said these jobs stop for 3 months, and they didnt make enough money to save. its unfortunate, but s--- happens. AT LEAST THEY HAVE NEVER SAT ON THEIR !!!!!! DOING NOTHING, AND JUST THINK THAT THE REST US WILL PAY FOR THEM TO BE ON THE DOLE, AND PAY THEIR RENT AND THEIR COUNCIL TAX. They are NOT lazy teenagers who dont want to work, or go having babies so they dont have to work. They do actually want jobs. But for 3 MONTHS THIS YEAR they need help.............3 MONTHS........3 MONTHS..........that is all. Anyone can fall on hard times, anyone at all. Anyway all i wanted to know was, does anyone know where they can help from for , well actually it will only be 6 weeks now. I dont need to know your life story firewyrm. jeeeeees forums they are all the same arent they, just a place where people like to argue

Yes, I'm for real. Yes, sometimes !!!! happens. Sometimes, you have to make your own way and the world doesnt owe you, me or them a living. You asked for where to get help...either sign on or get a job,. Those are their choices.

BTW...in my day was just 20 years ago...there were no jobs then either.

BevieB

FireWyrm wrote: »

They are entitled to sign on for any period of unemployment. They need to go back and do so. Tell the twit at the desk that you are doing this regardless.

No one is going to hand them a job...I keep saying it. Dont bother with the stupid job centre, it was useless 20 years ago and its still useless. Go to where the jobs are and ASK. Good old fashioned pavement pounding often works wonders where the job centre fails miserably.

No one will give them a job? I signed on with 20 agencies. I took ANY job offered for any length of time from hours to days (very occassionally a week or two). That meant that I had a reputation with them. If they called, I answered and I took the job. Its not rocket science.

Sometimes if someone is self employed and as part of their job they have normal pattens of non/low work they will be still classed as self employed. IE they will average wages over the year.If over 18 they could claim Working Tax Credits.

FinKite

Don't be rude! You might not have found one post helpful, but other replies have been - including the critical info that the job centre was wrong and they should go back.

Look, why have they moved out? I know you said your daughter is good with money, but they clearly haven't thought this through - they knew they only had seasonal work. Can they both back in with parents? Or both in with you? If they're only teenagers, they may have to accept that they can't afford to live together yet. It might help your situation too, if she's paying you a smaller board amount.

As a couple, they may have to discuss whether 2 seasonal jobs with same off season will ever work.

I really feel for them, jobs are hard to come by, especially for their age group. Good on them for getting the jobs they have.

What I question isn't their work ethic (though actually, 3 months up to Xmas is a good time for part time work) but their decision to move out. Too soon.

savingmummy

Jobs are hard to find, people are coming out of uni and struggling BUT non fancy jobs are there! If your desperate anything will do.I myself do private house cleaning and ironing while the children are at school wasnt easy getting them but one led to two and then i got 3, my husband does gardening/rubbish clearance and car washing on top of his full time 6am-4pm job.
Once you ask about/advertise and get one job, word gets around.
Its a bit late now as they are needing help now BUT for future they need to find extra on top of what they do OR both find better jobs that are all year round.

worried48

I don't see why they can't sign on. Simply say they have had no work for however long it is (the lad was employed wasn't he, if he was working in a factory for a wage I don't see how he could be self-employed). Daughter needs to say that there simply was not enough work - given the summer we have had I doubt anyone will have any difficulty believing that! They just have to be available for work. If no work has materialised by the time the self-employed gardening work comes up then she simply takes the gardening work and says she now has work. I used to have to sign on for a few weeks when I was a supply teacher, have things really changed so that this is no longer possible? If so then no-one would be able to do seasonal work at all and I find that hard to believe.

FireWyrm

PS as self employed people, I trust they were deducting National Insurance and Tax contributions from their earnings so that they are ready to fill out their self assessments next year. I doubt that HMRC will be quite so understanding when they dont receive their cut of whatever they made between them.

mim1234

BevieB wrote: »

Sometimes if someone is self employed and as part of their job they have normal pattens of non/low work they will be still classed as self employed. IE they will average wages over the year.If over 18 they could claim Working Tax Credits.

yes they are classed as self employed bevieb. but their work patterns lol, its like he will work for 3 weeks (away from home), and then his boss will say "we dont need you next week", or for the next 2 weeks, then hes at work again, for a week, then not for a week.........so basically they get on top with all their bills and then their is no work....so they end up paying 1 weeks wage to cover 2 weeks no work if you know what i mean. Its not a very good job, but its a job. my daughter works for her dad who gives her money every day ( not much) but it helps, pays a few bills. They survive........like most of us lol. I wish we had thought about tax credits before, because maybe that would have worked. Ithink its a bit late now lol, by the time its sorted they will be back at work........they dont rush do they. Thankyou for answering my question BevieB, i will get them to look into this for the end of this year, if they dont manage to get better jobs lol:A

FinKite

Is her dad paying her cash in hand? Is she paying any NI?
Sounds like you could help her a lot more by her moving back home, looking for a more regular job, then doing the stuff for her dad as an extra to clear debts?