Population increases and housebuilding stats...

eelsoup

What do you think we should do Hamish ? Cut immigration, relax planning regs so that more houses can be built, or simply allow living standards to deteriorate to such a point that the UK is no longer a prime destination for immigrants?

Graham_Devon

eelsoup wrote: »

What do you think we should do Hamish ? Cut immigration, relax planning regs so that more houses can be built, or simply allow living standards to deteriorate to such a point that the UK is no longer a prime destination for immigrants?

He seriously believes we should ramp up immigration. Likes a pyramid scheme does our Hamish!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

He seriously believes we should ramp up immigration

Indeed I do, as it's necessary for the prosperity of the whole country over the next few decades.

Britain will be the biggest economy in Europe with one of the wealthiest populations in the world by the middle of the century, according to leading economists.

Long-term forecasts by investment bank Goldman Sachs suggest the UK will fare better than its neighbours over the next four decades.

Britain is the third biggest economy in Europe behind Germany and France, but by 2050 it will have leapfrogged both countries. The UK will also jump from being the sixth wealthiest country in the world to third, based on national income per head.

Goldman put Britain’s strong performance down to higher investment than in countries such as Germany and France.
It also said the economy would benefit from immigration which would boost the working age population.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080402/UK-economy-biggest-Europe-4-decades-say-experts.html#ixzz2FmTBMu5R

Now I particularly like quoting that version of the article, because it must have made some of their reader's heads explode. I mean, talk about cognitive dissonance..... Reading in the Daily Mail that one of the main reasons the UK will outperform Germany to become the biggest/richest economy in Europe and one of the top three richest countries in the world over the next few decades, is..... immigration.

the_flying_pig

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed I do, as it's necessary for the prosperity of the whole country over the next few decades.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080402/UK-economy-biggest-Europe-4-decades-say-experts.html#ixzz2FmTBMu5R

Now I particularly like quoting that version of the article, because it must have made some of their reader's heads explode. I mean, talk about cognitive dissonance..... Reading in the Daily Mail that one of the main reasons the UK will outperform Germany to become the biggest/richest economy in Europe and one of the top three richest countries in the world over the next few decades, is..... immigration.

give me strength.

the Goldman report is about GDP. obviously GDP goes up at least a little bit as population increases, even if the new people are only adding tuppence ha'penny each.

GDP per capita, on the other hand...

they're two very different things. India's GDP is not far away from being as big as ours, it's lower but not loads lower. but they've got twenty times as many people as we have. guess which country has the higher average standard of living?

India & China are above us in that 'world economic league'. do you think we should be like them, a billion people living on a tenth or a twentieth each of what we do now?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

the_flying_pig wrote: »

India & China are above us in that 'world economic league'. do you think we should be like them, a billion people living on a tenth or a twentieth each of what we do now?

You really should read things more carefully....;)

"The UK will also jump from being the sixth wealthiest country in the world to third, based on national income per head"

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You really should read things more carefully....;)

"The UK will also jump from being the sixth wealthiest country in the world to third, based on national income per head"

Well you'd beter hope you're still in it...

GeorgeHowell

The long term answer lies not in increasing the amount of housing but in reducing the population. As it explodes it's not just housing that will be stretched, but services, transport, energy, the environment, and sooner or later food.

homelessskilledworker

the_flying_pig wrote: »

give me strength.

the Goldman report is about GDP. obviously GDP goes up at least a little bit as population increases, even if the new people are only adding tuppence ha'penny each.

GDP per capita, on the other hand...

they're two very different things. India's GDP is not far away from being as big as ours, it's lower but not loads lower. but they've got twenty times as many people as we have. guess which country has the higher average standard of living?

India & China are above us in that 'world economic league'. do you think we should be like them, a billion people living on a tenth or a twentieth each of what we do now?

I was just on the verge of starting my post the way you have done Flying pig(hand on heart) after reading more of Hamish's BS, please don't think I am copying.........

Give me strength.

Apart from hearing some nutter republican NRA member in the USA suggesting the solution to protecting schools was to introduce more guns into the equation, like arming the teachers and even some of the "Good" kids, Hamish yet again is up there with the best.

And when does the cycle of mass immigration end?, do you really equate GDP with quality of life and having some sense of national identity?. What we should be focusing on is educating the(all ready too high) population that we now have.

I really am starting to form a picture of you Hamish as a "to hell with everyone else" type who would turn this country into a moral deficient cesspit as long as you came out top.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

The long term answer lies not in increasing the amount of housing but in reducing the population. As it explodes it's not just housing that will be stretched, but services, transport, energy, the environment, and sooner or later food.

So you advocate a permanent state of recession, declining living standards, worsening poverty, a pensions crisis, a lack of resources to care for the elderly, and a miserable existence for all.

You must be popular at parties....:D

dktreesea

Housing prices around here aren't going up except in the better areas, presumably because those who would have bought the other two thirds can't get the finances together. But what are going up are rents, even just for a room to share in a house full of students or single working people. I suppose in a place like Edinburgh that's inevitable, because there isn't much new land to build on within Edinburgh's boundaries.

Surely if rents carry on increasing - and why wouldn't they, with our ever increasing population? - BTLs should also go up? Even if the majority of the people whose income comes from selling their labour can't afford to buy.