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ruggedtoast wrote: »It seems to be you who is angry George.
That's what you like to think because that's the raison d'etre. But if this made me angry then I wouldn't do it -- wouldn't be good for the blood pressure. Don't kid yourself that your rather naive and puerile attempts to get a reaction cut much ice with people of experience who know which end is up. And if that sounds angry then you're deluding yourself again.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »The geography says it all really.
I agree that something less than 93% are down the gutter but it wiould still be high minority.
Whatever the percentage, the definition of "in the gutter" or "underprivileged"or "vulnerable" and similar terms by the left has no useful meaning these days. If it means no visible means of support -- shelter, clothing, food -- through no fault of their own then it's a pretty small percentage. If it means can't have everything they want / what the neighbours have got / what they see advertised on TV etc then no doubt it's a huge percentage.
The notion that you can redistribute away such realities without creating an impoverished, stagnating, depressed, and oppressed society like the old Soviet Union is nonsense. Young idealistic types who think that way have the chance to learn by experience as they mature. Older people should know better and start living in the real world.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Most people I meet are doing ok and plenty are prosperous. Just ordinary couples where for example one is in sales on £60k and the other is a teacher on £35k.
The mortgage board is full of posts by such people.
This nonsense about 93% of us being down in the gutter is nonsense.
I can drive from the home counties through Oxfordshire, down into Hants and then onto Wiltshire and Dorset and see endless propserity through village after village. Sure some will be up to thier necks in debt by my everyday dealings with peoples finances informs me this is a minority. Even those without savings will often have a second property.
Out with about 15 blokes from my village last night. All are well off - this is just an ordinary village in the South East.
Detached houses, nice cars, good holidays, cautious savers in the main.
Even recent immigrant clients of mine such as a couple who are both agency nurses, are pulling in £100k, so it's absolutely within the grasp of many to prosper.
In my area there are many many large new estates (meaning built in last 20 yrs). Houses are typically £600k each. Most contain couples where joint incomes will easily be £80+. Again nothing special, just ordinary everyday workers.
This same story is repeated right accross the home counties from Berks to Essex, Gloucs to Dorset, Kent to Cambs. Of course there are also people struggling, but this nonsense that only a tiny elite are prosperous is just so off beam.
Do some people here genuinly not see all the prosperity around them?
I'd say we're damned lucky in this nation.
I love that. "In my dealings in the most expensive parts of the wealthiest part of the country, all my wealthy friends are wealthy so therefore everyone is..."
Why dont you go to some other bits of the country, or even some cities and towns in the SE where people who arent flush enough to live in the set of Midsomer Murders have to hang out?
You may even be astonished to find that detached houses dont comprise the majority of the UKs housing stock.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »I love that. "In my dealings in the most expensive parts of the wealthiest part of the country, all my wealthy friends are wealthy so therefore everyone is..."
Why dont you go to some other bits of the country, or even some cities and towns in the SE where people who arent flush enough to live in the set of Midsomer Murders have to hang out?
You may even be astonished to find that detached houses dont comprise the majority of the UKs housing stock.
Where in the globe are there not similar inequalities of wealth as in this country ? Do you really think that the world can be changed for the better by means of Marxism ? It's been tried before and failed dismally.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Where in the globe are there not similar inequalities of wealth as in this country ?
Most of northern Europe.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
The option is there if it appeals. My suspicion is that bad news from Scandinavia rarely reaches our media. They prefer the fantasy version of a socialist paradise.
And of course the same is true of Toastie, who could quit his trolling for Marx (I wonder who pays his salary while he's posting this tripe?) and go to Cuba.0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Where in the globe are there not similar inequalities of wealth as in this country ? Do you really think that the world can be changed for the better by means of Marxism ? It's been tried before and failed dismally.
As Zagubov said, you could look to Europe, or to this actual country in the past. Inequality is now higher in the UK than at any time since the war.
You don't have to be a raging socialist to see that the distribution of wealth is out of whack.
Going back to the premise of the article, we are all told that the rich are flooding to London because its such an incredible place to live. But then we are all warned that if we dare to ask them to pay their fair share they will all leave because they are only here because they get to dodge their taxes.
Well, which is it?0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »The geography says it all really.
I agree that something less than 93% are down the gutter but it wiould still be high minority.
It's interesting: all those places in the south are prosperous and are run by Tories while the North isn't and is run by Labour. I generalize but that's pretty close to how things work.
Is Socialism caused by poor people or does Socialism cause poor people?0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »As Zagubov said, you could look to Europe, or to this actual country in the past. Inequality is now higher in the UK than at any time since the war.
Now remind us which party most recently presided over that ever-widening gap?0 -
It's interesting: all those places in the south are prosperous and are run by Tories while the North isn't and is run by Labour. I generalize but that's pretty close to how things work.
Is Socialism caused by poor people or does Socialism cause poor people?
Thats an interesting point, but werent most of them doing alright until Thatcherism?0
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