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  • sweetme wrote: »
    At a guess I'd take seegarten for sectarian?

    AAh - thanks!

    I see now.
    If you haven't got it - please don't flaunt it. TIA.
  • cr1mson
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    Can I just clarify are they saying that by posting on a Rangers page it is sectarian or that the comment was sectarian? Also what kind of Rangers page?

    I am sure all the employment law experts here can clarify but surely if he posted on a genuine supporters page in his own time something like "That was a cracking goal in the second half" it wouldn't be an issue.

    However I suspect there is more to this story especially given the fact that the OP practically named the employer!
  • sweetme wrote: »
    At a guess I'd take seegarten for sectarian?

    Yes excuse my spelling.
    Well if he is a rangers supporter then he deserves all he gets.:D

    LOL my thoughts!
    cr1mson wrote: »
    Can I just clarify are they saying that by posting on a Rangers page it is sectarian or that the comment was sectarian? Also what kind of Rangers page?

    I am sure all the employment law experts here can clarify but surely if he posted on a genuine supporters page in his own time something like "That was a cracking goal in the second half" it wouldn't be an issue.

    However I suspect there is more to this story especially given the fact that the OP practically named the employer!

    It was in his own time, and they have no proof it was there employee as he only used his first name
  • zzzLazyDaisy
    zzzLazyDaisy Posts: 12,497 Forumite
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    Hello,

    My OH employer (which are the largest health care provide in Scotland, so I am sure you can guess who it is). He posted somethings via a "page" (A Rangers football club page, nothing to do with work), which his work are claiming are seegarten. I don't believe they are personally.

    The only proof they have that they came from him, are the fact that the post said <page name> <then the comment > / david. He did not detail his surname just his first name. As you can imagine they have no proof it came from there employee, expect the complaint that either a member of public or a work colleague.

    However they are properly going to try and sack him next week, where do you think he stands?

    Okay

    First, how long has he worked for this employer?

    And second, please could you tell us again what the problem is, as I don't think any of us understood your post...
    I'm a retired employment solicitor. Hopefully some of my comments might be useful, but they are only my opinion and not intended as legal advice.
  • amyloofoo
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    Yes excuse my spelling.



    LOL my thoughts!



    It was in his own time, and they have no proof it was there employee as he only used his first name

    You've failed to answer the most important question; was what he said sectarian? I'm suspecting so, given that you've not absolutely refuted it, you've just said you don't personally believe they are... In which case, I'd remove all references to where your OH works and either talk to the CAB or an expert like SarEl / LazyDaisy.
  • agrinnall
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    There has to be more to this. If the comment (whether sectarian or not) was simply posted with the name David then there is no way the employer would have any idea it was your OH, there must be thousands of Rangers supporters named David. So there must have been something more that identified the post as coming from him. In which case, if it was sectarian then he is in big trouble.
  • tonyh66
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    edited 8 December 2012 at 2:17PM
    agrinnall wrote: »
    There has to be more to this. If the comment (whether sectarian or not) was simply posted with the name David then there is no way the employer would have any idea it was your OH, there must be thousands of Rangers supporters named David. So there must have been something more that identified the post as coming from him. In which case, if it was sectarian then he is in big trouble.

    they can check through the cache of anyone using the internet on a works computer (on their log in) they know exactly which pages you visit and probably what you type. They probably also have catch filters which alert them if you visit certain pages or type certain words into the computer browser.
    On my works computers there is a statement which tells you what you can and cannot do while logged in, they have got him bang to rights
  • agrinnall
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    tonyh66 wrote: »
    they can check through the cache of anyone using the internet on a works computer (on their log in) they know exactly which pages you visit and probably what you type. They probably also have catch filters which alert them if you visit certain pages or type certain words into the computer browser.
    On my works computers there is a statement which tells you what you can and cannot do while logged in, they have got him bang to rights

    Yes, clearly if he was at work when the statement was posted then they will have everything they need, so it would then just be down to whether it actually was sectarian or not. But at the moment we have no clue about where it was done, despite the OP being asked that question, the only thing that has been said was that "it was in his own time", which of course could be at work or somewhere else.
  • SarEl
    SarEl Posts: 5,683 Forumite
    agrinnall wrote: »
    Yes, clearly if he was at work when the statement was posted then they will have everything they need, so it would then just be down to whether it actually was sectarian or not. But at the moment we have no clue about where it was done, despite the OP being asked that question, the only thing that has been said was that "it was in his own time", which of course could be at work or somewhere else.

    I suspect these aren't the only holes in the story, I'm afraid. This is a large employer who conceivably has the second largest number of people with that first name after Wales! Why would the employer have reason to even believe the comment was made by a member of their staff, never mind this particular one? The employer has something. And without knowing what that is it is pointless trying to speculate or advise.

    And I do wonder why the OP has not heeded what I have already told them. They have totally identified the employer, the case, and the fact that he did it! Not wise.
  • I do think employers can these days accuse someone and suspend them, and just search the internet 48 hours later and lo and behold, someone will have posted about it and give them all the info they were originally looking for.
    If you haven't got it - please don't flaunt it. TIA.
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