Advice needed

anth1406

hi we bought a pup from a breeder a yorkchon,lovely little pup paid £50 deposit then £250 on collection received a receipt for the 50 but not the other.

we had the pup 3 days and my son became ill and had a mental break down he has aspergers,and sadly we had to return the pup to the breeder as my son will take up 100% of my time at the moment which is not fair on the puppy,she was understanding/ish but was pleased we had not sold him on and returned him to her with approx £50 worth of goods including food,bed ect as they are no use to us now and it was sad seeing his belongings around the house
breeder told us when she resold pup we would get the money from the rehoming of the pup,that was fine as i do appreciate this is our fault not hers or the pups.
the same evening sunday she txt to say she had rehomed the pup for free
and could we return his vet certificate which we had forgot to include in his bits
i was to tired to respond,but today i txt back asking why she had rehomed the pup for free,she said she had been in touch with the breeders association (on a sunday?)and they had told her she could not charge twice for a pup,is this true?as i said i appreciate this is very much our fault but i hate to think i am being lied to,did not expect all our money back but the pup was still 8wks old and would have thought she would have got at least some money
i have no receipt as i said just for the deposit and the vet certificate which i have to return to her
the pup is not kc registered
any advice would be appreciated not expecting money back now,but just was curious if what she was saying is true

BECKIN1507

Sorry but the pup was her property there is no reason or law stating she can not sell it twice! I think she is lying but I'm sorry to say I really do not think there is anything you can do about it now. As the pup was not kc reg there is also no regulations she'd have to abide by. I have bred pups and would never give a puppy away, not because of the money its a very stupid thing to do and you never know what could happen to the pup. People like this give breeders a bad name, it's made me quite angry and it's not even my dog.
I would give her a ring and ask for the new owners details so you can forward the vet card straight to them and ask them how much they paid for the pup.

anth1406

yes thats what i thought,when i txt her saying i wanted to take the matter further she offered me £50 as a goodwill gesture,as i said i do appreciate this is all our fault and if she had said we received £50 for the pup i would have accepted that just dont like the thought of being lied to i will try asking for the new owners address but i dont think she is going to be willing to pass it on xx

BECKIN1507

Probably not but its worth a try, or say if she gives you the owners details you will get the vet to send the info over. There is no reason why she would need to reduce the price of a pup at 8weeks olds, due to the amount of time you had the pup I think they are been very selfish, although you realise that yes it was partly your fault there is no reason why she should lie, dishonesty when involving animals is just wrong. Did she not make you sign a contract or anything? By the sounds of things she probably didn't even readvertise the pup, you always get emails once the pups have all sold, they probably just got back to someone who had asked about them when they was all sold. I'm just not sure how you can get your money back, maybe once you have got the £50 back try calling her bluff and say you have spoken to your solicitor about this and he has told you that you have every right to your money back or you will take further action. x

missindecisive

I think she is lying but I don't think there is anything you can do x

krlyr

Sorry, but a "yorkchon" does not exist (and as a crossbreed it would not be able to be KC registered) - sounds like you may have had the misfortune to buy of a backyard breeder who is in it for the money. Maybe she even sold the puppy for another £250 and is delighted with the outcome.
The legal route would probably be the small claims court and treat it like a private sale. If you could show she was selling puppies as a business, you would have the same consumer rights as with many purchases. No receipt, no KC reg, etc. and the "breed" she sells, I'd hedge my bets she's not doing it on a particularly professional level though and you may be better off just accepting the £50 or writing the lot off - and if you consider a dog in the future please do research what makes a good breeder so you don't fund a BYB or puppyfarm dealer.

peachyprice

anth1406 wrote: »

we bought a pup from a breeder a yorkchon..... she said she had been in touch with the breeders association...... the pup is not kc registered.....but just was curious if what she was saying is true

There is no such breed as a 'yorkchon', of course it won't be KC registered, it's a cross-breed and there isn't a breed association, I wouldn't believe a word she says.

ihateyes

i certainly wouldnt be giving her the vet certificate

anth1406

thank you all for your advice the puppy cost £300 in total,and i am not to bothered about the money as i do realise a lot of it though due to circumstance was my fault,but i dont like people who lie to line there own pocket twice!it shows the true colours of the person
she did say to us at the time the mum dog had been caught by mistake with this litter and she was having her spayed as soon as her blood vessels had settled,then i read on facebook she had a waiting list for the next litter in about 8months time,so really warning bells should have been ringing

no receipt and no contract with the puppy
as for the yorkchon breed,she told us mum who is bichon and dad who is yorkie,both had papers but if she had registered the pups she would have had to have charged people more as it costs a couple of hundred to register a pup
i beleived her i did not know any different,though it was not important to us for him to be a pedigree she did say the breed yorkchon was definately a breed xx
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Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Please, read up more before you get conned again.

It was a mongrel. A mutt. With a silly compound name. There is no such this as registering it.

krlyr

A Yorkie is a breed and a Bichon is a breed. A puppy from both is a Yorkie x Bichon. Unfortunately many breeders are cashing in on the fad of "designer breeds" which are not breeds at all.

You can register a crossbreed dog on the "Activity Register" or "Companion Dog Register" with the Kennel Club but this is not the same as the "Breed Register" that purebred, "KC registered" puppies will be registered under.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/1178
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/dogregistration

By the way, it costs £15 (yes, one-five, fifteen) to register a puppy (if eligible) on the breed register. Definately scam artist claiming it'd cost hundreds! http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/346
The fee is, again, £15 for the activity register, and the same amount, £15, for the Companion Dog register.

In a way, you may have lost £300 but you may well have saved yourself a lot more money and heartbreak with a poorly bred dog that could be prone to many health problems due to a lack of health testing in the parents and a lack of research into their lineage. Problems in the Yorkie include distichiasis, hydrocephalus, hypoplasia of dens, Legg–Calve–Perthes syndrome, luxating patella, portosystemic shunt, retinal dysplasia, tracheal collapse, and bladder stones, and in the Bichon, Cataracts, Heart disease, Portosystemic shunt, Immune mediated haemolytic anaemia, Patella luxation, Deafness, Urolithiasis, Primary ciliary dyskinesia, Haemophili, Ciliary dyskinesia, Episodic cerebellar dysfunction, Secondary glaucoma.
As you can see, an extensive list and many conditions which would require surgery to fix.
I hope this experience shows you the importance of choosing a breeder carefully. It is a shame the lesson was learnt this way, but something to bear in mind in the future (and perhaps to mention to friends considering getting a puppy). There are lots of guides available online on how to choose a good breeder, questions to ask, warning signs to look out for and so on.

You might find that you have a case for Trading Standards if she is advertising them as a purebred (without pedigree but available at extra cost, or implying you could register them yourself), especially if she is advertising another litter (so straying out of the one-off category into breeding as a business), and the tax man may be interested to see if she declares her profit (which there will be a lot of if she is inflating figures, especially if she doesn't bother with any kind of health testing). I wouldn't be giving her a vet certificate because I wouldn't want to aid her in any way (let her bear the expense of a vet visit herself if she's promised that certificate to the new owner!) and I'd even be tempted to spread the word about her to save other people being ripped off.