HMRC and the Tax Adjudicator just cover each others A**es.

martinsurrey

Cook_County wrote: »

According to your profile on this forum you are resident in London/Herts. I wuld expect HMRC to believe what you state publicly.

His LOCATION is London/Herts

location is VERY different to residence...

I go on holiday to The Gambia, I will be located in The Gambia, but I certainly wont be resident in The Gambia...

*Chattie*

Nice to know our local/district/town councillor consider himself to only be resident in the area they serve for 106 days in a year for tax purposes, next year we will see you on I'm A Celebrity bringing politics to the masses?

CKhalvashi

martinsurrey wrote: »

His LOCATION is London/Herts

location is VERY different to residence...

I go on holiday to The Gambia, I will be located in The Gambia, but I certainly wont be resident in The Gambia...

I'm currently in Herts.

So far this tax year for tax purposes, I've spent 46 days in the UK, 51 days in Switzerland, 42 days in the Netherlands, 38 days in Georgia, 21 days in Russia, 19 days in Ukraine, 16 days in Israel and 10 days in Azerbaijan.

I work internationally, I've actually just got back from Amsterdam and I keep records of where I am/have been for this exact reason. The above bears no resemblance on what tax I pay where, and in fact about 40% of my income is British, therefore taxable under the British system.

I do provide at least 106 days to local government each year, mainly through email contact and advisory work. I'm always just a phonecall away, when I'm needed. My work situation is extremely complicated, and this needs to be taken into account with the numbers given above.

CK

mart.vader

Cook_County wrote: »

Indeed the OP has already said that s/he got something wrong which was failing to claim at least three refunds; so it sounds as the OP filled in forms incorrectly.

I empathise. HMRC forms and processes are often confusing; but the ballot box and one's MP can get these changed.

We still only have a smidgeon of the story here - and it is from someone who is ranting and shouting about it, so we have no means of knowing who did what, when and why.

I see the IQ's on this board are still dropping fast. It's an interesting idea, to blame the tax-payer for HMRC's errors. If you can't accept what people post, at least on face value, why do you post or even read this board? Why don't you post on the Tales of Middle Earth, or Alien Abductions forums ? Then your views would always have value. Perhaps the mods should put up a "sticky" "All posters must provide absolute proof of what they say, when posting"

If you can't accept that HMRC threatening Distraint against someone who doesn't owe any money, then losing all the correspondence and asking the tax-payer (me) to provide copies, indicates gross incompetence, then I suggest you are prime sycophantic material for HMRC to exploit.

If I didn't claim refunds immediately, that was due to HMRC's three incorrect statements, when they told me three times, "You have nothing to pay" and they said the balance of my account was £0.00. I think that is supposed to mean that there is no debt and no credit, don't you ? However, seven months later, in the same tax year, HMRC were saying, "You owe us £600, a debt from one and two years previously". when I earned less than the tax-free personal allowance". BTW, the clue is in the words "Tax-free personal allowance".

If your bank didn't know whether you were in credit or debit with them, you'd get another bank. Unfortunately there is just the one, highly incompetent HMRC. Each time HMRC gave me a refund, they incorrectly assessed the amount I was due to be refunded, and I had to point this out to them, and then they refunded some more.

"The ballot box and one's MP can get things changed" Really ? How ? A vote for the "Make HMRC competent Party" ?

You know, "who did what, when and why", because I explained in my post. I gave all the details I thought adequate to explain the situation. You only have a smidgeon of the story ? I'm obviously not going to post my tax details on a public internet forum - you wouldn't, would you ? and I'm not going to post the two inch thick wad of correspondence that I've had with HMRC in the past two years.

Yes, I know it's hard to accept that HMRC are as incompetent as they are, but that's just a fact of life in the UK.

As for "ranting and shouting" ? Wait until you are being threatened with having your possessions sold off, next week, to pay a non-existent debt. Or wait 'til you have spent two years corresponding with HMRC and the Adjudicator through their sham "Complaints Procedure" to be told that they can't see that they've made any mistakes, then you might shout a little yourself.

I proved that I did not owe anything, and they were in error by saying that I did. If I had owed them anything they wouldn't have refunded £500 in tax, would they ? But HMRC just blankly state that they can't see any HMRC mistakes.

Now, surely, that's not too hard for you to understand, is it ?

mart.vader

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I still can't see, if OP is telling the truth, how a, say, £5000 income is taxable in anyones minds.
CK

Thank you so much for believing that I'm telling the truth. (!) Gee, I'm so relieved (!)

I note that you "claim", "For tax purposes, I've spent 46 days in the UK, 51 days in Switzerland, 42 days in the Netherlands, 38 days in Georgia, 21 days in Russia, 19 days in Ukraine, 16 days in Israel and 10 days in Azerbaijan."

So, how do we know that you are telling the truth ?

Yes, Exactly, How can an income below the tax threshhold incur a tax liability in anyone's mind. That is what I've been trying to tell this forum.

beefturnmail

Though I sympathise, you probably should have posted this on the 'praise, vents and warnings' forum

mart.vader

beefturnmail wrote: »

Though I sympathise, you probably should have posted this on the 'praise, vents and warnings' forum

At last, a sensible response !

Cook_County

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I'm currently in Herts.

So far this tax year for tax purposes, I've spent 46 days in the UK, 51 days in Switzerland, 42 days in the Netherlands, 38 days in Georgia, 21 days in Russia, 19 days in Ukraine, 16 days in Israel and 10 days in Azerbaijan.

I work internationally, I've actually just got back from Amsterdam and I keep records of where I am/have been for this exact reason. The above bears no resemblance on what tax I pay where, and in fact about 40% of my income is British, therefore taxable under the British system.

I do provide at least 106 days to local government each year, mainly through email contact and advisory work. I'm always just a phonecall away, when I'm needed. My work situation is extremely complicated, and this needs to be taken into account with the numbers given above.

CK

So you may owe tax in one or more of the UK, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Israel and/or Azerbaijan under each set of domestic laws whether or not you are resident in any of these jurisdictions under their respective residence rules.

UK tax is not limited to UK workdays except for individuals who are either not resident, not ordinarily resident or - in some limited circumstances - not domiciled within the UK.

mart.vader

Cook_County wrote: »

So you may owe tax in one or more of the UK, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Israel and/or Azerbaijan under each set of domestic laws whether or not you are resident in any of these jurisdictions under their respective residence rules.

UK tax is not limited to UK workdays except for individuals who are either not resident, not ordinarily resident or - in some limited circumstances - not domiciled within the UK.

Thanks for taking the time to advise CKhalvashi about his tax arrangements, (although I don't see what relevance this has to HMRC incompetence). CKhalvashi is an international businessman, with a fast expanding empire, spreading across half of Europe. He's a "non-dom", abroad most of the time, doing deals and making money, It's very complex, so his accountant sorts it out, and he just signs it.

And he's a prolific poster on this forum. It's good to see that, despite his success, CKhalvashi hasn't forgotten about the less financially astute in our society. I read one of his posts, way back in, er, November 2012, where he asks if anyone knows if he can use discount vouchers in the Esso/Tesco Garage on Uxbridge Road as "it's 4p per litre cheaper than Harlow."

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/57308555#Comment_57308555

I would have thought that, as he's jet-setting across the world, for more than half the year, the cost of petrol would not be that important to him, and anyway, his accountant could advise him about petrol prices in London and Cardiff.

Gas_Powered_Toothbrush

mart.vader wrote: »

At last, a sensible response !

By which you mean 'one that agrees with me'.