Universal Credit

princessdon

So the middle are the ones who are squeezed? Meh!

BigAunty

nannytone wrote: »

it will change a lot for 2 parents with children
2 x parents with a child unfer 5 will be expected to have one parent working full time ( as opposed to 24 hours now)
chilf under 12 but over 5 ... one parent working full time the other working 16 hours
child over 12 both parents working full time.

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blimey, that's going to be a shock to the system for the 200,000 plus households with 400,000 plus children who had the hump when the WTC criteria changed from 16 to 24 hours!

Some of them were used to just one of them working just 2 days a week (before the 24 hour change made in April) so they are up to 3 days a week.

Now they may have children that fall within the upper age limit and be expected to work 10 days a week! When they had years of just working 2!

Is it legal for children aged 12 to be at home by themselves?

:rotfl::rotfl:

BurnleyBob

princessdon wrote: »

So in a nutshell desipite the fact I am to some extent a single parent (as my OH works away) and has always worked, nothing is really going to change and I'll still pay for those who use benefits as a lifestyle choice and by Zagfels even be increased?

Bloody great

Don't be disheartened because you'll get to witness grinding poverty on a huge scale.

Here's an interesting discussion concerning workfare at the Housepricecrash forum. http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=185317&st=0

Denizens there comprise mostly of the middle class right-wing variety and were overwhelmingly in favour of getting the unemployed of their big, fat a**** not too long ago.

It seems from that thread that the proverbial penny has dropped with all of them and they can foresee what the future holds, and it ain't pretty.

zagfles

princessdon wrote: »

So the middle are the ones who are squeezed? Meh!

Oh dear. You've not really understood.

zagfles

BurnleyBob wrote: »

Don't be disheartened because you'll get to witness grinding poverty on a huge scale.

Here's an interesting discussion concerning workfare at the Housepricecrash forum. http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=185317&st=0

Denizens there comprise mostly of the middle class right-wing variety and were overwhelmingly in favour of getting the unemployed of their big, fat a**** not too long ago.

It seems from that thread that the proverbial penny has dropped with all of them and they can foresee what the future holds, and it ain't pretty.

When's the house price crash then, if they can forsee the future :rotfl:

strangeotron

zagfles wrote: »

UC provides a massive incentive switch. It won't happen straight away, but the "it's not worth working" attitude will start to disappear, or at least reduce a lot, when people start seeing that those who do get up of their backsides and get a job will be significantly better off, even those with kids, even single parents.

Aside from your tedious and offensive stereotypes which are not supported by any evidence whatsoever, UC will be a massive disaster. It won't pay to work part time because people claiming UC in palce of things like tax credits will be forced to look for full time work or find full time hours or lose their benefits.
Never mind the massive IT errors and failings within the system itself. It is not ready. Noone with any knowledge or expertise believes it will be so and next year is going to see a huge crisis as a result.

MissMoneypenny

zagfles wrote: »

When's the house price crash then, if they can forsee the future :rotfl:

And what's next weeks lottery numbers:rotfl:

banner188

UC will have the same effect as when tax credits changed from 16 hours up to 24 hours. It will attack low paid workers.
We have heard of people on less than 24 hours now struggling, but what has happenened to all them who don't even work at all? Absolutely nothing as always.
The UC will go for those who have a work ethic, sanction them etc.. but will leave those hard targets that we all know of, its the same old story. They will try to get low paid workers to do more work because they cannot/will not get the hard targets to work at all.
Anyone who believes that this will change under UC is mistaken.

What people miss is the fact there has, and always will be an underclass in any society and no system will change it. In poorer countries, the underclass lives in abject poverty whilst the richer nations have welfare systems to keep this from happening.
These systems they come up with aren't meant for these underclasses, they are meant for any current worker, who plays the game etc..

MissMoneypenny

banner188 wrote: »

UC will have the same effect as when tax credits changed from 16 hours up to 24 hours. It will attack low paid workers.
We have heard of people on less than 24 hours now struggling, but what has happenened to all them who don't even work at all? Absolutely nothing as always.
The UC will go for those who have a work ethic, sanction them etc..

Able bodied couples with children who are only working 16 hours (now 24 hours) a week between them, don't have "a work ethic". Quite the opposite! All they are doing is just working the minimum hours to maximise their tax credits.

How frustrating for the low skilled parents who worked 35+ hours a week each, only to watch their lazy neighbours' work just 16 hours a week between them and end up with the same income (made up by benefits)! Tax Credits were a crazy idea.

carebear13

can i just ask- with regards to both parents working.
we both work , hubby full time and me part time, however we both earn over the nmw.
how would the rules affect us, our kids ar e 14,9,4 and 8 months., regarding having to both work a certain amount of hours according to age of the youngest.