hmrc collecting tax from public sector workers

Andy_L

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well my pension scheme is funded and every public sector worker I know is in the same one.

If you mean the civil service pensions then yes you are right but the civil service has always been a gravy train destination for Eton silver spooners.

Its funny how the rest of the public sector keeps having to contribute more for less for our pensions but if you ponce around in a blazer and old school tie the gravy keeps flowing for you.

The current Civil Service pension (nuvos) is currently the worst of the public sector ones as it was already a career average and was thus shafted far more by the change to CPI indexation compared to final salary schemes.

Come the imminent changes to most public sector schems they will (excluding the police/military), once again be much of a muchness

The_White_Horse

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I have seen private sector places. You get air conditioning and gyms and salad bars and people bringing you fruit. You also get bonuses.

But now you begrudge me a few days sick leave although I rarely take any, and a pittance of a pension to supplement a lifetime of low wages in the service of Britain.

Not a very motivating employer are you?

public sector workers get bonuses, despite there not being any profits to pay them out of. the Govt just borrows more.
not to mention flexi hours, guaranteed pay rise as you go up the pay scale (so pay freeze actually means pay rise, unless you are top of the scale), huge holiday allowance AND higher salaries than in the private sector.

moaning public sector scumbags.

grizzly1911

The_White_Horse wrote: »

public sector workers get bonuses, despite there not being any profits to pay them out of. the Govt just borrows more.
not to mention flexi hours, guaranteed pay rise as you go up the pay scale (so pay freeze actually means pay rise, unless you are top of the scale), huge holiday allowance AND higher salaries than in the private sector.

moaning public sector scumbags.

Flexi hours that provide 24/7/365 cover and slowly wear you down as there are insufficient staff to provide adequate R&R.

Regular crushing of scales ensuring that many are at the top of scales with little prospect of further advancement or pay increases, either for the last 5 years or the next 5 years.

Huge holiday allowance not. Bank Holidays worked including all of Christmas.

Difficult to say whether salaries are higher than the private sector because comparable roles don't exist. Where they do they are often pretty similar.

Many simplistic roles have already been transferred to the private sector. It doesn't really save us as taxpayers because we still have to pay the profit premium.

There are now doubt several roles that could be slashed or adjusted but not all public sector workers are sat on their 4rse doing nothing.

I doubt many are scrounging benefits simply to keep ISA contributions topped up.

grizzly1911

The_White_Horse wrote: »

public sector workers get bonuses, despite there not being any profits to pay them out of. the Govt just borrows more.
not to mention flexi hours, guaranteed pay rise as you go up the pay scale (so pay freeze actually means pay rise, unless you are top of the scale), huge holiday allowance AND higher salaries than in the private sector.

moaning public sector scumbags.

A few may get bonuses not many - based on saving costs if they do. Don't doubt the figures are wooly.

Flexi hours that provide 24/7/365 cover and slowly wear you down as there are insufficient staff to provide adequate R&R.

Regular crushing of scales ensuring that many are at the top of scales with little prospect of further advancement or pay increases, either for the last 5 years or the next 5 years.

Huge holiday allowance not. Bank Holidays worked including all of Christmas.

Difficult to say whether salaries are higher than the private sector because comparable roles don't exist. Where they do they are often pretty similar.

Many simplistic roles have already been transferred to the private sector. It doesn't really save us as taxpayers because we still have to pay the profit premium.

There are now doubt several roles that could be slashed or adjusted but not all public sector workers are sat on their 4rse doing nothing.

I doubt many are scrounging benefits simply to keep ISA contributions topped up.

Percy1983

The_White_Horse wrote: »

public sector workers get bonuses, despite there not being any profits to pay them out of. the Govt just borrows more.
not to mention flexi hours, guaranteed pay rise as you go up the pay scale (so pay freeze actually means pay rise, unless you are top of the scale), huge holiday allowance AND higher salaries than in the private sector.

moaning public sector scumbags.

Yep it was very wrong I had a pay freeze but still went up the scales.

Here is an interesting point for you, my job is comparable to the private sector now I am at the top of my scale, I just decided to take a hit for a few years to get there.

So do the scales lead to people being overpaid or underpaid for the first few years?

Flexi hours do benefit the company massively, there is a monthly peak to which I do a more hours and do a little less in the quiet times, as it is I am currently 5 hours up, but I won't get an overtime payment.

I will say your posts do look a bit green eyed monster, if its so amazing in the public sector why not... you know... get a job in the public sector... :eek:

Andy_L

Percy1983 wrote: »

Yep it was very wrong I had a pay freeze but still went up the scales.

However, in some parts of the Civil Service the pay freeze was a ban on pay scale progression as well so the effect depended on where you worked

silverchair

The_White_Horse wrote: »

public sector workers get bonuses, despite there not being any profits to pay them out of. the Govt just borrows more.
not to mention flexi hours, guaranteed pay rise as you go up the pay scale (so pay freeze actually means pay rise, unless you are top of the scale), huge holiday allowance AND higher salaries than in the private sector.

moaning public sector scumbags.

LOL. Who do I go and see about my bonus? Thats a new one. Flexi hours wow that would be great. Guaranteed pay rise as you go up the scale. Ill mention that in my next performance management meeting. Actually if that's the case I don't even have to bother having to attend or show my evidence for that year's targets. Ill say its guaranteed and that if I dont meet my targets they cant move me down the pay scale.

Andy_L

silverchair wrote: »

LOL. Who do I go and see about my bonus? Thats a new one. Flexi hours wow that would be great. Guaranteed pay rise as you go up the scale.

Depends which bit of the public sector you work in. They all have differing T&Cs and some do get bonus, Flexi & Contractual increments

The_White_Horse

you have to be a certain type to work in the public sector. a guardian reading, sandal wearing lentil eating beaurocrat with a "no can do" attitude. i'd rip my own head off and guage out my own eyeballs if I had to work with these people.

"can someone get me a paper clip?"

"we'd better have a meeting about this, and set up a committee"

"just a paper clip"

"we have to set up a procurement committee to make sure the public are getting value for this paper clip. I will set aside £30m budget for this and get the health and safety team involved to check the rooms are ok to have the meetings in. until the rooms are safe I suggest we meet via Skype and I will have IT attend your house to set it all up"

"but, it's just a paper clip"

"yes, but we also need to go on a fact finding mission to the US to see how paper clips are used there"

"What?"

"Yes, and an in depth study in cultural differences into the use of paper clips"

"Er.."

"oh and an investigation into the gay and lesbian communities and their use of the paper clip. We hear they tend to staple. Why?? WHY???"

"but i need one now"

"this should only take 3 maybe 4 years and then we'll order them. once we have all the bases covered and had some "blue sky thinking" and possibly some "role plays".

"I quit"

"you can't quit, we will send you on a course, then on counselling - is there anything else we can do to waste money? I mean, provide value for taxpayers?"

GeorgeHowell

Graham_Devon wrote: »

These threads are the reason I like public sector strikes so much.

Suddenly it's "oh, my bins aren't being collected, this is outrageous"

Someone who likes public sector strikes presents an impression of someone having a strange outlook on life.

Not emptying the bins when they should be emptied is outrageous. That's because it is a fundamental responsibility of a local council, and if not fulfilled one has to question why we should have local councils at all, let alone pay council tax to them. Essential functions which if not performed by the council will not get performed by anyone else should always be the priority. To pay for those if necessary the peripheral and discretionary stuff should be cut out, and savings made in back-office and support functions which do not directly affect the essential services.

The key lies in the term public service sector. This means providing what the public collectively needs and wants, not what those taking their money decide that they are going to give -- and not give -- them.