hmrc collecting tax from public sector workers

ruggedtoast

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Comparison with somewhere like India does not make ours world class, but perhaps it seems that way when you are in a place like that. Years of cossetting by Labour, and the subsequent creation of a producer mentality, has turned our public services mainly into organisations where serving the public is not the first priority.

Well actually the only way to classify anything as world class is to compare it to other parts of the world. India, China, Latin America, Africa, Asia and Russia comprise most of the world, and most of them would rightly jump at the chance to have our public services.

If you call an ambulance because your appendix has ruptured quite what exactly do you think the first priority of the paramedics who arrive to save your life is? Few of whom are likely to earn more than £27k a year.

This is the problem with the British public. You want first world services yet you seem to expect to get them for 3rd world prices. Some people certainly seem to have entitlement issues but I'm not sure its always public sector workers.

StevenMarks

Several recent studies have shown that the public sector gets paid more than equivalent private sector jobs. And on top of that get pensions far bigger than are affordable from the private sector.

grizzly1911

StevenMarks wrote: »

Several recent studies have shown that the public sector gets paid more than equivalent private sector jobs. And on top of that get pensions far bigger than are affordable from the private sector.

Why did you have to open that can of worms? :shhh:

nomoreboomandbust

BobQ wrote: »

Sacking them seems so unfair when they coiuld be usefully deployed on investigating the tax avoidance industry that pays for the cheap coffee and books we enjoy or the tax evasion practiced by the great and the good.

Or they could be used to administer a system to revover child benefit from highly paid couples who just put it away in ISAs?

Have you ever been to Starbucks ?

angrypirate

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well my pension scheme is funded and every public sector worker I know is in the same one.

If you mean the civil service pensions then yes you are right but the civil service has always been a gravy train destination for Eton silver spooners.

Its funny how the rest of the public sector keeps having to contribute more for less for our pensions but if you ponce around in a blazer and old school tie the gravy keeps flowing for you.

And how is it funded? Is it solely the money you have paid in which has been invested? Or is it funded by a pyramid scheme, relying on the younger employees contribution paying the older retiree's pension

BobQ

nomoreboomandbust wrote: »

Have you ever been to Starbucks ?

I was being ironic!:D

MacMickster

The_White_Horse wrote: »

why? why not just pay them a net sum and be done with it. won't that save money - presumably hundreds of people are paid at hmrc to deal with this charade? sack them all and just pay public sector jobs 20% or 40% less.

Absolutely brilliant! And at a stroke you will reduce these final salary pensions by 20% or 40%.

Then if you do away with pension contributions (instead of increasing them) but reduce salary to compensate you will reduce their final salary even more.

Next thing, give all public sector workers a card (or tattoo a star on their forehead in case they lose the card) allowing them to make purchases free of VAT and reduce their salary even more.

The opportunities are endless.

Andy_L

angrypirate wrote: »

And how is it funded? Is it solely the money you have paid in which has been invested? Or is it funded by a pyramid scheme, relying on the younger employees contribution paying the older retiree's pension

RuggadToast is probally in the Local Gov scheme, it's the biggest one that is funded and would explain "public sector worker I know is in the same one" although not knowing (at all, as oposed to socially) any other public sector workers would take an effort since the only other funded (ie employee & employer contributions are invested rather than disappearing into the big pot at the treasury) schemes are, IIRC, the University & Parliment schemes

Andy_L

StevenMarks wrote: »

Several recent studies have shown that the public sector gets paid more than equivalent private sector jobs. And on top of that get pensions far bigger than are affordable from the private sector.

I think its a study, rather than several & its full of caveats over the quality of the input data (eg it is only PAYE staff & the job classifications are very broad)

Andy_L

Graham_Devon wrote: »

These threads are the reason I like public sector strikes so much.

Suddenly it's "oh, my bins aren't being collected, this is outrageous"

isn't most bin collection contracted out now though?