csa grrrrrr

FBaby

The thing is, if it is ok for nrp to stop supporting their children when they are in college, it is obviously ok for the pwc to also stop supporting them. Could a college kid doing a 12 hours course fully support themselves, ie. pay board to the pwc (or nrp), transport costs, and the rest of what they could realistically earn with a part-time job?

Maybe there could be an arrangement when after turning 18, a child could claim csa for themselves rather than the pwc, but somehow I'm not sure thatthis solution would fully satisfy all nrps either.

**Patty**

shegirl wrote: »

Because aswell as the 12 hours in college itself they would be expected (required) to do work outside of classes.

What makes you think 12 hours a week isn't enough to enable them to do better in life? Since when has education needed to be full time in college or any other institution to be of any worth?

Ok. Take this example.

Little Johnny is doing a motor mechanics apprenticeship. he does 12 hours a week at college and spends the other 3 1/2 days at a garage .

Little Jennie is doing a business studies course. She also does 12 hours a week at college. She also works in a shop for 30 hours a week.

Big Nigel is doing his course in Hotel Operations. His course is 30 hours a week.

They all qualify for CM.

Could you honestly not say that in all likelyhood.....Johnny & Nigel will move further up the career ladder than Jennie?

shegirl

**Patty** wrote: »

Ok. Take this example.

Little Johnny is doing a motor mechanics apprenticeship. he does 12 hours a week at college and spends the other 3 1/2 days at a garage .

Little Jennie is doing a business studies course. She also does 12 hours a week at college. She also works in a shop for 30 hours a week.

Big Nigel is doing his course in Hotel Operations. His course is 30 hours a week.

They all qualify for CM.

Could you honestly not say that in all likelyhood.....Johnny & Nigel will move further up the career ladder than Jennie?

Not necessarily.No.

For a start,Jennie could move up in the chain of command in the shop/general retail industry. She's also gaining retail experience.All experience is experience.

Johnny may never get a job related to his course.

You're also making it about the course not just the hours.

clearingout

FBaby wrote: »

The thing is, if it is ok for nrp to stop supporting their children when they are in college, it is obviously ok for the pwc to also stop supporting them. Could a college kid doing a 12 hours course fully support themselves, ie. pay board to the pwc (or nrp), transport costs, and the rest of what they could realistically earn with a part-time job?

Maybe there could be an arrangement when after turning 18, a child could claim csa for themselves rather than the pwc, but somehow I'm not sure thatthis solution would fully satisfy all nrps either.

Exactly. the simple fact is that in this day and age, any 'child' just starting out on minimum wage work and who is also at college is going to struggle to be genuinely independent. Parents are expected to support their children during the transition into adulthood - and that should mean both parents, surely?

wayne0

my god, i think patty has actually summed it up with my exact though with the whole benefit of the course...

also: child benefit leg states that you need to begin the course BEFORE turning 19 to be elegible for CB. is it the same as CSA?

(if a child turns 19, the parent thinks ahh go to college then they wont qualify... but they will still be able to claim CSA right?)

also,,, think of this

7 days in a week... minus a "rest day" say six...

take eight hours rest off this, and say 4 hours for general study, and then another four hours for "rest"... that leaves eight hours

6x8 = 48 hours available...

wouldnt you say that the degree of involvement in a course should account to what accountability the parents should support the child amounts to?

like i said: i worked full time, and went to college full time...

most other people here say the same thing...

why is it considered ok that XXX goes to college for the miniumum and that fine... surely parents would want their kids to apply themselves.

hell at my work, we have kids who do full time courses and still put in 30-40 hour weeks AND WANT MORE HOURS...

and they are from 2 parent familys who and often both parents work and earn plenty

FBaby

wayne0 wrote: »

and they are from 2 parent familys who and often both parents work and earn plenty

And probably still support their kids financially. I suppose a 19 year old could study 12 hours, do the additional work at home AND work full-time earning just about enough to survive...clearly, with limited time and money they would have no life. Is this what I want for my children? Well, clearly some do, I don't. Yes, I want my kids to grow up being responsible, yes I want them to learn the value of money and more than anything, I don't want them to take me for granted and become lazy boots, but there is a limit to this.

As a dedicated parent, I would feel massively guilty if I could provide some luxuries to my younger child whilst expecting my eldest to cope with the above life just because they are now 19 and they are not my responsibility any longer. My kids are 3 years apart, but emotionally, they are and will always remain on the same level and I will want to treat them the same regardless of their age.

SingleSue

My (just) 19 year old son is still at 6th form as he had to press the reboot button after the first year. He attends full time (as in normal school hours) as in his free periods, he is doing an extended project. He does have a part time job but this is very part time at this time of year and with the level of study he has.

We (as in me and the boys) still receive maintenance from their father for him. Their father does not mind as he knows it is for the upkeep and support of our children, although it has never been broken down to a per child amount (we have a private agreement, so it is not done as a percentage amount). I know he has failed in his duty in seeing his children but (to give him credit due) the one thing we have always agreed on is their education and the importance of it...he backs eldest son all the way with his staying on for an extra year (he wants our children to beat his new wife's children in the exam grade stakes )

He knows it is a proper course with an end date, he knows what eldest son wants to do after this year has ended and he fully supports the decisions that eldest has made (it was eldest who took the responsible route in pressing the reboot button instead of giving up) and he is proud of what eldest is doing and how he has turned things around.

clevertrev

It's the 10th of December ! DWP website hasn't changed still says payment ends at 19 years. Online calculator still asks for net pay....... Thought the new scheme was starting today! As mentioned earlier in this thread. Anybody seen or heard any facts?

kevin137

FBaby wrote: »

The thing is, if it is ok for nrp to stop supporting their children when they are in college, it is obviously ok for the pwc to also stop supporting them. Could a college kid doing a 12 hours course fully support themselves, ie. pay board to the pwc (or nrp), transport costs, and the rest of what they could realistically earn with a part-time job?

Maybe there could be an arrangement when after turning 18, a child could claim csa for themselves rather than the pwc, but somehow I'm not sure thatthis solution would fully satisfy all nrps either.

So what happens if a child is eligible for CSA from an NRP, but life is not good with the PWC and decides to leave home and make a claim for CB and CSA him/her self...? The law would state that the "child" is still eligible as is in education, but CB had to be paid to an Adult surely...? That being the case, if it can't be paid then CSA is not collectable... But if it is, then there would in fact be 2 yes 2 NRP's both paying 15% to the child...

Why would a child not want to move out, and if kicked out is in fact eligible for housing support as well...

Ridiculous...

I really can see a huge rise in children catching on to getting huge sums of money for doing nothing from parents they don't want to live with and partying all the time... I do hope i am wrong though...

PreludeForTimeFeelers

Yes, the new scheme went live today, so any new applications where there are 4 or more kids will be on the new scheme.