Train Guard Jailed

martinbuckley

Yes, although not such a harsh one!

what sentence did those who filled the girl with drink and drugs get?

Jeff_Bridges_hair

Yes

Hasbeen wrote: »

They voted yes, as along with the jury at the trial, they were declined the RAIB report and full details of what happened as requested by the prosecution. In order to get a conviction.


My opinion, after reading the report and looking at the pictures not shown in the common redtop papers, is that this will go to appeal and he will get fully exonorated.

It appears in my opinion he did more than what is required in these tragic circumstances.

But then again others will know better?

As I understand it part of the riab report was used in the prosecution but they were asked to withhold publication till the end of the trial so your first sentence is wrong.


Yorkie2 you know full well why he got this sentence under what he was charged with. Other violent crimes have different sentencing criteria and bear nothing to this case so your outrage should be directed to the law makers but with the understanding of different charged bring different sentencing

Jeff_Bridges_hair

Yes

martinbuckley wrote: »

what sentence did those who filled the girl with drink and drugs get?

Have they been brought to trial or even arrested and charged? If so then we will find out one day

Hasbeen

No

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

As I understand it part of the riab report was used in the prosecution but they were asked to withhold publication till the end of the trial so your first sentence is wrong.


Yorkie2 you know full well why he got this sentence under what he was charged with. Other violent crimes have different sentencing criteria and bear nothing to this case so your outrage should be directed to the law makers but with the understanding of different charged bring different sentencing

As I understand it no part of the RAIB report was issued at all to anyone until issue day. But knowledge was known it would impact on trial!
The prosecution knew this would impact on the case and it was not brought up in trial or even referred to.

Daedalus

Hasbeen wrote: »

As I understand it no part of the RAIB report was issued at all to anyone until issue day. But knowledge was known it would impact on trial!
The prosecution knew this would impact on the case and it was not brought up in trial or even referred to.

If only there was some kind of defence counsel who's sole duty was to find gaps in the prosecutions case...

ljonski

No

Rumpole would have loved this case.

Hasbeen

No

ljonski wrote: »

Rumpole would have loved this case.

And he would have proved and received a not guilty verdict for his client!:T

stevemcol

Yes

If he'd pleaded guilty and shown genuine remorse rather than making excuses, I'd have had some sympathy.

Hasbeen

No

stevemcol wrote: »

If he'd pleaded guilty and shown genuine remorse rather than making excuses, I'd have had some sympathy.

Sorry, why plead guilty if you and your defence think your not?

The guy did show genuine sorrow at the death, in fact reading the reports he was mentally/phsyically practically incapable of giving edivence?

"Excuses" in this country at a trial is usually called the defence?

I would suggest reading a bit more on this, the RAIB report, the judgement and the comments on railway staff site's were there are more expert people commenting on this unfortunate happening and looking at ALL the cctv footage not the one shown in the red top papers

stevemcol

Yes

Hasbeen wrote: »

Sorry, why plead guilty if you and your defence think your not?

The guy did show genuine sorrow at the death, in fact reading the reports he was mentally/phsyically practically incapable of giving edivence?

"Excuses" in this country at a trial is usually called the defence?

I would suggest reading a bit more on this, the RAIB report, the judgement and the comments on railway staff site's were there are more expert people commenting on this unfortunate happening and looking at ALL the cctv footage not the one shown in the red top papers

Fair comments hasbeen. I have read the summary report and I never read red tops. As far as I can determine, she was leaning on the train before, during and after the signal to move was given. The guard's prime role is to look after the safety of the public. He obviously didn't harm anyone deliberately but he failed in his main responsibility to protect. I feel sorry for him but as I said, I'd have more sympathy if he'd fully accepted his failing by pleading guilty.