Benefit Fraud

Lucky94

earthbound_misfit wrote: »

I know someone who was investiagted for benefit fraud (suspected he and female housemate were couple), someone from the DWP came round and (literally) went through their dirty laundry to see if they did washing togther, went through kitchen to see if they shopped/cooked togther etc. (I find this last one a bit much as pretty much all the housemates I know will eat togther/share some food, especially if they don't have much money... but anyway...) So I'm amazed this hasn't happened in this case, wouldn't need to stake out or anything. Are you sure others have reported too? And if he got the bus stop moved surely that'd be on council records or something?
Are DWP allowed to tell you if they've already investigated the person?

Sorry but this made me yuck can you imagine doing that..would feel sorry for the DWP person that would have to go through my hubbys dirty washing :rotfl:

earthbound_misfit

hehe yes I imagine the cleaner from "Black Books" saying "Ooh - dirty!"

seven-day-weekend

earthbound_misfit wrote: »

I know someone who was investiagted for benefit fraud (suspected he and female housemate were couple), someone from the DWP came round and (literally) went through their dirty laundry to see if they did washing togther, went through kitchen to see if they shopped/cooked togther etc. (I find this last one a bit much as pretty much all the housemates I know will eat togther/share some food, especially if they don't have much money... but anyway...) So I'm amazed this hasn't happened in this case, wouldn't need to stake out or anything. Are you sure others have reported too? And if he got the bus stop moved surely that'd be on council records or something?
Are DWP allowed to tell you if they've already investigated the person?

Exactly. You don't know whether she has been investigated or not, nor what the outcome is. When I worked in Planning Enforcement, people often thought nothing had happened because we had investigated and found no breach had been committed.

As an aside, my son always did the shopping with his housemate, they would go together to Asda, do their separate shopping and pay for it with separate money and then share a taxi back, it was cheaper for them that way to share the taxi. I actually don't think that is a very good way of assessing whether people are a 'couple' or not.

[Deleted User]

I had a boyfriend many years ago going through a divorce as his wife had left him for another man. She was living with new man but not working and claiming everything! My bf reported them but they got away with it.
The reason is he is a lorry driver so technically lives in his cab mon to fri and he has a house boat which he uses as his address! During the summer months she would spend the weekends my ex had his children on the boat with him, so DWP said they couldn't be classed as living together (her fella told me all this cause they didn't have a clue who reported them) despite the fact he was named on her divorce! makes you laugh!!
So anybody who wants to go on the fiddle, you need to date a lorry driver and make him buy a boat! Lol! I'm currently looking for an Oil Rigger or Forces boyfriend cause I think that would work too (joke) :-) x

LunaLady

Terence123 wrote: »

No she is claiming as a single person and is quite open about it if asked.
I have worked hard all my life and paid my dues as my parents and their parents.
She is quite open about 'fiddling the nash' and what a pack of 'wan----kers' they are.

She has her basic and extra as two children have asthma and eczema.

Her social worker recently got a grant for new suite for her and she thought that was really funny as she got a new phone with the money.

So no I am not in the wrong but last year when I struggled to get any help for my dying mother I decided to do something about it as did several other members of the family

Do you means she gets DLA for this?

If she is committing fraud then report her. Though it always surprises me how much people know about other people's finances. I dont know any of my family.friends and they dont know about mine.

Elvisia

I was talking to my local MP about something else and I mentioned as an aside that someone was committing benefit fraud as I was so infuriated by it, he was shocked to hear it and said he'd bring it up at his next surgery. He did and the person was eventually done for it. So even though it seems a bit extreme it might be worth emailing the local MP for the area?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Terence123 wrote: »

No she is claiming as a single person and is quite open about it if asked.
I have worked hard all my life and paid my dues as my parents and their parents.
She is quite open about 'fiddling the nash' and what a pack of 'wan----kers' they are.

She has her basic and extra as two children have asthma and eczema.

Her social worker recently got a grant for new suite for her and she thought that was really funny as she got a new phone with the money.

So no I am not in the wrong but last year when I struggled to get any help for my dying mother I decided to do something about it as did several other members of the family

what do you think she gets as an extra for the kids?

theres no family edtion to income support esa, as tax credits do that wich she would be entitled to plus child benefit.

if she gets DLA, for the children, (wich i doubt for eczema unless its extreme) this wouldnt even come into the equasion for fraud, the DLA was awarded on the evidence and not means tested, she could have twentymillion in the bank and still be entitled to DLA if theres medical proof that the condition are severe enough for the care and mobility parts.

it maybe that she has already PROVEN to the dwp and council that she and her ex are separated but still live under the same roof to wich a private agreement of maintenance maybe inforce, and any investigation would be extremely hard to prove that fraud was going on as the dwp would have to be inside the home wich is impossible.

as you say she has a social worker, or has she got a care worker for child in need, theres two verry different rols there, social worker i.e child at risk care worker i.e child in need.
i doubt very much she would be able to blatantly pull off what your saying here infront of either of those.

so if you snippet down the benefits that we cn gother here from inbetween the lines of your info, the only two that would need to be proven would be her single parent element of ESA or income support, and tax credits and in order for the investigation to succeed, (wich costs on average £15k per investigation of tax payers money) they would have to prove they are a couple wich she may have already proven that they arent.

my suspicions is that this person is taking you for a long ride in what she's telling you, either she's gathered your a gossip, and is playing you, or something else but from what youve posted, doing ben fraud with having social services involved in their lifes just doesnt tick the boxes for me.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

earthbound_misfit wrote: »

I know someone who was investiagted for benefit fraud (suspected he and female housemate were couple), someone from the DWP came round and (literally) went through their dirty laundry to see if they did washing togther, went through kitchen to see if they shopped/cooked togther etc. (I find this last one a bit much as pretty much all the housemates I know will eat togther/share some food, especially if they don't have much money... but anyway...) So I'm amazed this hasn't happened in this case, wouldn't need to stake out or anything. Are you sure others have reported too? And if he got the bus stop moved surely that'd be on council records or something?
Are DWP allowed to tell you if they've already investigated the person?

DWP compliance officers are evidence gatherers, you have no obligation to let them through the door and conduct the interview on the doorstep to not get sanctioned, there are limits on what they can also do when inside the home, and going from room to room sifting through laundry is they cant do, but if people allow them to do it for ease then thats upto them, i'm a person who will stand up and be noticed that i wont be pushed around on a malicious call investigation. ive had a compliance officer round before (on a malicious call) he was insrtucted you are to go in the living room, no where else i will comply to what evidence you wish for me to produce, but i dont agree to you searching through my home, you have no rights to do it, if you wish to search my home then get a warrant from the courts.

tiddlertot

MUMZ2BEE wrote: »

I know how you feel at the failings of benefit fraud.

I have a woman who lives in my road; she claims full housing benefit and council tax benefit, and claims income support.

She's had a partner living with her for the past 5 months; this has been reported to benefit fraud at least 4 times, with no action ever being taken.

Also, they have just had a holiday as well which I believe the partner has paid for as he works fulltime.

I too agree that benefit fraud is a bloody disgrace as she is still claiming benefit with him living with her!!

A female friend of one of my children lives 'alone' with her 3 kids all with different fathers'.

The father of the youngest - ages 20 months, has his own place but actually lives with this girl. He rents out his house to his brother and his girlfriend.

The girl receives in excess of £500 a month in child support from two fathers', receives IS, HB & CTB plus the usual child tax credits etc.

She has been reported by me twice and on both occassions the girl had a visit from the DWP. She satisfied them that this guy did visit, but only to see his daughter and had his own place.

I gave up!!!

businka

I know a bloke from Latvia (EU) who receives over 6,000 in child tax credit, having a child living in Latvia with her mother and never even visited him in 4 years! He does not send any money to child, spend them all on drinks and gambling (and yes, I DO know that). He has been reported, but still receives the money.