Survey nonsense?

tbs624

propertyman wrote: »

b; it's not an RICS phrase but individual and foirm/company wordings for a and risk management

c: it clearly communicates the issue and resolution without an omission

Dictating the same advice after having done 5 Victorian houses in a morning all with similar issues is tedious, and you can make mistakes or just muddle the response.

Adjusted propertyman's daft font size, to make for clearer reading.

My bolding: really propertyman?

Many surveyors use "time saving" software to assist in the generation of their Reports - see for example http://www.questuk.com/surveyors_homebuyersreports.html

I quote from there:

"To simplify the report completion process, the system also enables surveyors to use their own bespoke phrases in addition to industry-standard phrase templates, including the RICS-prescribed or Stephen Mika’s (Survey Text) HBR Phrases, to speed up the report generation proces"

Essentially OP , the surveyor needs to cover his own backside and there will be all sorts of "vendor is advised to obtain further checks" comments within the survey report. Flat roofs will always have a statement about the end of its useful life, as will cast iron rainwater goods. The possibility of the presence of asbestos in claddings, Artex, roofs on outbuildings will similarly be flagged up. Vendors will be told to get the drains checked and so on. Of course RICS standard phrasing is going to be made use of - a surveyor will be using their professional insurance cover.

Edited to add: Welcome as a newbie btw OP

propertyman

That's the problem with googling stuff- you miss the meaning or context of it.

I won't waste my time or yours explaining it, as your conclusion was and is the prevailing view that these phrases are intended to only cover the Surveyor's back.

It's not, it is intended to

a: make clear the limitations of any report

b: communicate an issue reliably and consistently

Some of which is dictated by the format of the HBR, and not as could be concluded from posts, a series of phrases set by the RICS to befuddle the buyer.

While it is time saving it is also about risk management both for the Surveyor and the Client- they realise they have only paid for a particular level of inspection.

My post, my emphasis, my font choice - deal with it.:silenced:

tbs624

propertyman wrote: »

That's the problem with googling stuff- you miss the meaning or context of it.

No meaning missed on my part and the fact that surveyors use such software did not require googling on my part. I was responding to your erroneous assertion about the terms in such reports "it's not an RICS phrase". Clearly you couldn't be man enough to admit that your comment was not a true reflection of how the majority of surveyors actually complete these reports

I won't waste my time or yours explaining it, as your conclusion was and is the prevailing view that these phrases are intended to only cover the Surveyor's back.

Propertyman - you persist in posting up your interpretation of other people's posts as if it is fact. Check back - the word "essentially" in my post does not mean "only", other than in your head.

You say you "won't waste time explaining" but then go on to do so.
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It's not, it is intended to

a: make clear the limitations of any report

b: communicate an issue reliably and consistently

Some of which is dictated by the format of the HBR, and not as could be concluded from posts, a series of phrases set by the RICS to befuddle the buyer.

My post makes no reference to "befuddling the buyer" note

tbs624 wrote:

Of course RICS standard phrasing is going to be made use of - a surveyor will be using their professional insurance cover.

propertyman wrote:

My post, my emphasis, my font choice - deal with it.:silenced:

My bolding. I did - I enlarged it to standard font.:D I then explained that I had done so, because it is poor forum practice to alter the quoted post of another poster and not indicate where/why you have done so.

The purpose of putting a post up is for others to read it - tad stupid to then choose to have a font size that is hard for people to read. (Such font changes midpost are usually due to sloppy C&P)

JQ.

Propertyman is quite correct - any valuation firm of any standing will use their own phrases which will have been derived from agreement between their solicitors and indemnity insurance company to minimise their risk. Whilst standard RICS phrases may exist, I suspect they will be for the benefit of sole practitioners who don't have the resources to ensure their phrases adequately manage their risk. On the basis that the vast majority of reports are prepared by large national practices, the use of the RICS phrases will be minimal.

joerugby

You have paid for advice and you seem reluctant to take it

Get the specialist reports done, then be prepared to negotiate or walk away depending on what they tell you