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Teaching - an elite profession
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I'll take my cushy 8-4 job over a teaching job any day. Working 18 hours a day for 39 weeks of the year, while using half the 13 weeks annual leave on school related tasks, leaving 6.5 weeks too enjoy holidays during the most expensive times of the year.
FYI: Most teachers have just done an 8 week stint, longer than i've worked without a holiday.
You get a holiday every two months?
Public sector?0 -
Just chuck that one at social services and let them deal with it. The teacher is there to teach.
So, will social services sit in every lesson with that child? Will they be watchful at break times, will they be a listening ear?
Of course cases such as I have mentioned are passed on to the relevant people for professional input, but before that begins and whilst it is ongoing the teachers are still dealing with the fall out from it, every day, in every class.0 -
A teacher is not trained in mental health issues and is just as likely to cause more harm. Meanwhile another 30 children are being ignored. If said teacher is a qualified psychiatrist, fair enough. If not hand the problem to someone who knows what they are doing.
You need to get into the real world. The cuts are affecting all services. My wife's a teacher and teaches kids with all kinds of issues including kids who's parents have begged social services to take their kids away but with no luck.
Schools in many cases can't afford to pay for ed psychs to come in and evaluate problems and therefore its left to teachers to do their best.
In the average comp it better to have teachers who can inspire and motivate kids rather than intelligent people with no personalites reading from a text book at the front of the class.0 -
Weren't we going to have more ex-businessmen in the classroom? They can't spell for toffee, they have secretaries for that, but enough of this academic rubbish. The University of Life, that's the thing.
Then it was the squaddies. Ex-soldiers were going to go into the schools and sort them out. Not too many maths O-levels there.
So now it's back to Victorian values. Stand by your desks, one seven is seven, two sevens...
Vacancy: Minister of Education with a clue.
Public-school products need not apply."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
There's this idea nowadays that it's quite a useful outcome if the kids actually learn something, rather than just sitting there being taught at.The teacher is there to teach.
This is much more subtle. States of mind are important. Relationships are important.
You could say that every teacher is a child psychologist, because that's essentially what the job is. Certainly teachers know a lot more about child psychology than doctors who pass exams in the subject without hardly ever seeing a child. The last thing any troubled child needs is a professional child psychologist."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Were not standards considered higher in the 50s and 60s when teachers just taught?0
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Just chuck that one at social services and let them deal with it. The teacher is there to teach.
If only!:(When I graduated university I seriously thought about becoming a teacher. I think its true that during my lifetime the status of teaching as a profession has gone down so anything that improves it would be a good idea.
What shocks me (I must be getting old) is that when I went to university it was an entry requirement that you had to have O-level English Language and Mathematics. When I left university it was a requirement of all the employers I applied to join that you had O level English and Mathematics whatever your degree was in. It was certainly a requirement of all civil service jobs and of several private sector firms I applied to join.
What amazes me is that now this is a novel idea! What happened?
My mate got into uni the year before the O level maths requirement came in. He then got into teacher training the year before their O level maths requirement came in, and then got a job=b and QTS befofre the same requirtment.
In his subject he didn't need it. After one particularly rough class he went off and did a job in a different career. Again he got in the door just before a Maths requirement.
It's all frelatively late that ebing literate and numerate became seen as a need.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Considered by who? My schools filled my head with useless junk. I can still tell you that 10 metres = 1 decametre and 10 decametres = 1 hectometre, not to mention that 5 1/2 yards = 1 rod, pole or perch. Oh, and the angle between the tangent and the chord is equal to the angle in the alternate segment.Were not standards considered higher in the 50s and 60s when teachers just taught?
I have never used these facts in my life. But I don't remember my schools teaching me anything I needed to know.
Meaningless rote-learning, which used to pass for education, is now recognised as a total waste of everybody's time. And none too soon.
Except by Gove, who'll be happy if everybody who leaves school can recite Daffodils."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
A teacher is not trained in mental health issues and is just as likely to cause more harm. Meanwhile another 30 children are being ignored. If said teacher is a qualified psychiatrist, fair enough. If not hand the problem to someone who knows what they are doing.
This isn't about psychiatry or therapy; it's about the very practical job of assessing pupils in the context of their whole life, not just the bit they spend in school, adapting some ways they are dealt with to take account of that.
However, that doesn't mean 'anything goes.' The one thing most troubled children appreciate, is a calm environment and a clear set of rules and sanctions.0 -
Were not standards considered higher in the 50s and 60s when teachers just taught?
The teaching in my many and varied primary schools during the 1950s was pretty poor by todays standards. There was little or no no differentiation of work and the teaching style was almost always didactic.
However, that's what people expected then. It's not what anyone would put up with now.0
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