Putting a Commando/CEE socket in the garage

fwor

southcoastrgi wrote: »

when it comes to safety & stopping people from killing themselves & others then no i don't have a flexible mind, you are correct in saying you can if you are compitant do it, however i didn't realise that you wanted to give your local building control more money than it would cost you to get the job done properly by a reg sparks

Is that a very long-worded way of accepting that you were wrong?

Ok, so I think you've now established that you don't think it's a DIY job, though I never asked whether it was.

Please can anyone advise on the question that I actually asked?

Owain_Moneysaver

southcoastrgi wrote: »

as the work MUST be done by a part p sparks then you shouldn't really be telling him how to DIY

Why not?

Part Pee is a waste of time and money, it contributes nothing towards electrical safety.

It also does not apply in Scotland or lots of other places the OP may be from.

Anyway, if you don't know how something should be done then you don't know if the 'professional' is doing it right.

Nobody seems to have picked up that all existing internal circuits on one RCD is bad practice and non-compliant, anyway.

fwor

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

Nobody seems to have picked up that all existing internal circuits on one RCD is bad practice and non-compliant, anyway.

That's probably because southcoastrgi thinks he has been appointed the guardian of the arcane magic of the electrical regulations. Secrets that must be locked away from idiots like me in case I use them to kill people.

He seems to have missed the fact that these regulations are in the public domain. If I had a couple of hours to spare, all I need to do is go to my public library and read the things (or, more likely, read one of the guide books on them).

He seems keen to perpetuate the myth that DIY work on notifiable installations is illegal. It's not - though as tlh858 points out, it's probably not financial worthwhile except for large jobs where using your own time saves more money than it cost to jump through the bureaucratic hoops.

jellie

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

Anyway, if you don't know how something should be done then you don't know if the 'professional' is doing it right.
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It seems a bit odd that we shouldn't trust a professional, but we should trust strangers on an internet forum? That's quite a scarey thought for those who have no knowledge of electrics.

Personally, I would have thought getting a professional in to see what they say and then asking for opinions would have been the logical way of going about things.

jellie

fwor wrote: »

That's probably because southcoastrgi thinks he has been appointed the guardian of the arcane magic of the electrical regulations.

Unlikely, as the user name suggests a different trade altogether.

southcoastrgi

i'm not a guardian of anything i'm not a reg sparkie either, yes the electrical regs are in the public domain in the same way that the gas regs are, however neither of those things mean you know what you are doing or should be doing them, the regs are there for a reason whether you agree with them or not, & just for the record i didn't call you that, you can say what you like i can't prove that you were going to do it yourself but for someone who says they only want to see if the job is being done properly, you have already done an awful lot of fact finding, i have been in the building game long enough to know when someone is interested or trying to find out how to do the job, so like it or not my take is that you were going to do the job yourself & had no intention of contacting BC to get it signed off & i bet i'm not the only one that would assume that.

you can reply if you like but i've got better things to do as it's pointless because you obv know better.

fwor

jellie wrote: »

It seems a bit odd that we shouldn't trust a professional, but we should trust strangers on an internet forum? That's quite a scarey thought for those who have no knowledge of electrics.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we should not trust any professional. But many of us know from past experience that in any trade there are a small number of "professionals" who ~don't~ know what they are talking about.

jellie wrote: »

Personally, I would have thought getting a professional in to see what they say and then asking for opinions would have been the logical way of going about things.

It makes more sense to me to do it the other way round, because I stand a better chance of knowing whether the electrician has understood my requirements correctly, while he is actually there.

jellie wrote:

Unlikely, as the user name suggests a different trade altogether.

I had noticed. The "I think this person is going to DIY so nobody should tell them how to do it safely" attitude is a weird one to take. I really can't figure out the rationale behind it.

southcoastrgi

jellie wrote: »

Personally, I would have thought getting a professional in to see what they say and then asking for opinions would have been the logical way of going about things.

Thank you exactly what i was trying to say

fwor

southcoastrgi wrote: »

just for the record i didn't call you that, you can say what you like i can't prove that you were going to do it yourself

Apologies - I did not mean to imply that you called me an idiot. You didn't.

The thing I struggle to understand is why you care whether I intend to DIY or not. I'm just an anonymous person on an internet forum, so why is it important to you that if I DIY I "should not be told"?

southcoastrgi

you maybe perfectly capable of doing the job correctly i don't know but you do seem quite clued up on what you want, now whether you have the correct mcb's or the correct wires in the fusebox i don't know that either, some things on here are perfectly diy able & can be done by the OP's with advice from the very knowledgable people on here & as you have 3,473 thanks then you must have given good advice, but for safety some things should only be done by a qualified person whether it is the law/regs or not, i see every week work done by reg persons that look like a 3 yr old have done them & some that don't comply with the regs & some that just are plain dangerious, so even some trades can do things incorrectly which is why you need to find a good one that is going to do the job correctly & for the right price, i have nothing against you but for your own safety you should get someone reg that way they can sign it off & at least they have been through the courses to become part p reg so that should give you peace of mind.