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David Cameron & energy prices
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Does the market need improving? Yes but I would question anyone thinking its going back to the good old days of cheap fuel, those days have gone we as a nation really do need a reality check on the price of fuel world wide.
I agree that prices are only going north. I doubt your fracking will actually bring it down either.
What we could do without is is numerous companies chasing punters layering up costs too and Governements without coherent energy policies costing us dear in tactical fixes."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Who said anything about powering the country exclusively by Wind?paulmapp8306 wrote: »Why? thats not wind power.
Wind power just isnt efficient. appart fromthe fact the wind doesnt blow all the time as has been explained, the cost of the equipment and its maintenanec is rediculouse. For instance if our country was powered exclusivly by wind, electric prices would be around 4 times what they are now JUST to cover the extra costs in production. the only reason why we use ANY at present is government policy and subsidy.
his comes from someone about to start working on the damn things.
The cost of fossil fuels is only going to go up and fracking will only produce a temporary blip in the upward direction. Sure there have been wildly wrong inaccurate predictions about peak oil but only a fool will fail to realise that there is only a finite amount of coal, oil and gas in the world. Eventually it will run out and then we will have to rely on a mix of non carbon fuels which must include renewables. I mean the world will never run out of wind and sun right? I can already hear you out there screaming frustratedly at me 'BUT non fossil fuels can only produce a small fraction of the energy we use today' and I quite agree. Unless some new super fuel is discovered I can see future generations having to deal with a low energy civilization. It's already started as I read on CNN that some shipping businesses are returning to sailing ships - They are doing this mainly to cut down on carbon emissions but I see a time where they will have to use such ships out of necessity.0 -
Who said anything about powering the country exclusively by Wind?
The cost of fossil fuels is only going to go up and fracking will only produce a temporary blip in the upward direction. Sure there have been wildly .
Eventually it will run out and then we will have to rely on a mix of non carbon fuels which must include renewables..
Recent evaluations and with the success of fracking and horizontal drilling at current usage we have around 250yrs worth of natural gas. The same applies with oil by 2030 the US won't no longer be an importer of oil they have enough if they use the technology.
Look at the price of natural gas in the US the price has collapsed as a glut from fracking has been dumped onto the markets.0 -
Look at the price of natural gas in the US the price has collapsed as a glut from fracking has been dumped onto the markets.
Back in July.US natural gas prices hit a six-month high, boosted by demand from the heatwave that has hit North America.
The unusually hot summer weather has lifted the natural gas market, which had been depressed for most of the year due to a rise in shale gas supplies.
Air conditioning demand has surged over the past few weeks as large parts of the US faced temperatures of more than 38C (100F).0 -
It's already started as I read on CNN that some shipping businesses are returning to sailing ships - They are doing this mainly to cut down on carbon emissions but I see a time where they will have to use such ships out of necessity.
Also beggars the question why we are in such a mad panic to build ever more airports."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
......I mean the world will never run out of wind and sun right? .......
That may be true, but just imagine that in 500 years, there are still people stupid enough to join the Green Party, then I can guarantee that these muppets will be whinging.
You only have to think about it for 5 minutes. Wind is the key driver to air movement, thermals, clouds, and ultimately rain. What happens if too much wind is staunched by turbines? Drought, miserable crop yields, no tree growth, and ultimately no possibility of oil & coal manufactured for future generations.
Then what does sun do? It heats the ground. Fill half the spare ground with solar power farms, then the ground is remaining cool and soggy. Surface temperatures will get cooler and cooler, and bring back the ice age.
You don't get something for nothing!
Get fracking while we can.0 -
The price is due to world demand as I often point out we have cheaper gas and lecci than most of our European peers inc France and Germany.
This is untrue though.
Our electricity costs more than France. What we have though, is lower taxes.
We are more expensive (in total, taxes included) than France.
Germany has pretty much the same electricity costs as us but whacks a varitey of taxes on top of their energy, making it more expensive overall.
The taxation situation can't be looked at in isolation though, as they may see lower taxes on other products, such as fuel etc.
Heres a graph showing how much electricity costs per EU country. Note how added taxation is why Germany pays more than us. It will have changed dramtically since then however, as we have seen large rises since then. France and Germany have had (much) lower rises.
Up to date figures suggest we are now the 10'th (out of 27) most expensive country for electricity, excluding taxes.
The only real way you can measure energy prices, when including taxation, is to measure them as a percentage of pay. Otherwise you enter a minefield of taxation issues. For instance, Germany may pay much higher taxes on energy, but they could pay much lower taxes elsewhere (council, income, road, NI etc) if they even have equivalents.0 -
Loughton_Monkey wrote: »That may be true, but just imagine that in 500 years, there are still people stupid enough to join the Green Party, then I can guarantee that these muppets will be whinging.
You only have to think about it for 5 minutes. Wind is the key driver to air movement, thermals, clouds, and ultimately rain. What happens if too much wind is staunched by turbines? Drought, miserable crop yields, no tree growth, and ultimately no possibility of oil & coal manufactured for future generations.
Then what does sun do? It heats the ground. Fill half the spare ground with solar power farms, then the ground is remaining cool and soggy. Surface temperatures will get cooler and cooler, and bring back the ice age.
You don't get something for nothing!
Get fracking while we can.
Two points well made I have been banging on about the first to friends but hadn't really thought about the second."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
5 seconds. Which propaganda rag did you read this rubbish in?Loughton_Monkey wrote: »You only have to think about it for 5 minutes.
The atmosphere is deep. There's enough air for jumbo jets to fly 6 miles up. How many miles up is a wind turbine?
The wind that makes the weather is all up there out of reach. What we get down here at building level is just the dregs. We are not going to change the climate with wind turbines. Otherwise we'd have to ban buildings as well."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
What happened to bulk switching? That was supposed to be Ed Davey's big bazooka, when he took over from Chris Huhne. I think a couple of schemes went through, as one-offs, and I haven't heard a mention since.
What happened to Chris Huhne?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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