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David Cameron & energy prices
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Err nope lol, but I would look at some if an AIM junior started to frack!
Agree with solar but its just a small part of the greater mix, folk thinking they could heat their home using solar is fairytale stuff no matter how big the installation is.
I was going to have solar last year, got the quote £6k 2.4kw and would have recovered the cost in 7yrs but I could not justify sticking £6K on the roof, its currently in shares, the difference being if I need it it's there.
The point about heating your home is a valid point. Having just returned from a holiday in Scotland with storage heating, 3 mid sized storage heaters I was shocked at the Kwh consumption on the second meter. It was certainly a lot more than the gas equivalent in our own home for this time of year.
Not only that you would be storing up energy for use during the night if used conventionally.
The older water panels can still provide useful heat even on dull days though."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Why doesn't the state buy up all the energy companies and charge us all one price?
That would be fairer and they could then use their power to hike the price and reduce the deficit :rotfl: .0 -
baby_boomer wrote: »Why doesn't the state buy up all the energy companies and charge us all one price?
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Nationalisation - now there is a thought.
We sold all the utilities - allowed them to be stripped and now we take them all back now they need reinvestment - cunning plan."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
why can't they limit each company to 4 plans only (obviously checking they are reasonable) and then make them calculate your usage against each plan, and charge you the cheapest one.
easy.0 -
The_White_Horse wrote: »why can't they limit each company to 4 plans only (obviously checking they are reasonable) and then make them calculate your usage against each plan, and charge you the cheapest one.
easy.
maybe some people would prefer a one or two years fixed rate and others may prefer a variable rate0 -
Yes we would be far better with the energy companies nationalised, back before then thing ran like clockwork there were never any power cuts, or strikes by greedy workers and unions siding with the coal miners was there? Of course they piled billions into the infrastructure too!
(For the people under 30 I am attemting irony)0 -
baby_boomer wrote: »Why doesn't the state buy up all the energy companies and charge us all one price?
Because we now import around 50% of our energy needs.
So commodity cost is set internationally.0 -
The objections to government interference overlook some key realities :-
Hardly anyone believes that it's a truly free competitive market
Energy is a necessity that you can't just do without
Most people expect the government to protect them from being stitched up by big business
Most people think that we were sold a pup when this industry was privatised (along with some others too), and expect government to regulate on our behalf, not just walk away from it shrugging.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Yes we would be far better with the energy companies nationalised, back before then thing ran like clockwork there were never any power cuts, or strikes by greedy workers and unions siding with the coal miners was there? Of course they piled billions into the infrastructure too!
(For the people under 30 I am attemting irony)
As someone over 30 I can categorically say that apart from the miners strikes (largely fuelled by by politicians) I don't recollect any problems with supply. British Gas and MEB seemed to do alright and I don't recall the level of concern over power prices back then to the extent we have today. We didn't consume any where near as much though.
Most utilities are piggy backing infrastructure that was paid for by the public in the first place."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »As someone over 30 I can categorically say that apart from the miners strikes (largely fuelled by by politicians) I don't recollect any problems with supply. British Gas and MEB seemed to do alright and I don't recall the level of concern over power prices back then to the extent we have today. We didn't consume any where near as much though.
Most utilities are piggy backing infrastructure that was paid for by the public in the first place.
But infrastructure has been installed and improved over the last 20 odd yrs we have new gas fired power stations, the sub stations & new plastic piping. Yes there was existing legacy infrastructure but a lot of it has or will need replacing.
The price is due to world demand as I often point out we have cheaper gas and lecci than most of our European peers inc France and Germany. Yet the press (Hello BBC), make us believe its all those nasty shareholders who are to blame lol.
Do we need more companies flogging us gas/lecci? No I don't think that's the answer. Does the market need improving? Yes but I would question anyone thinking its going back to the good old days of cheap fuel, those days have gone we as a nation really do need a reality check on the price of fuel world wide.0
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