Selling car - declare finance in the ad or not?

Jamie_Carter

fivetide wrote: »

If someone does clone a car you are selling it is the next owner that needs to worry not you though!

So you don't give a toss about the poor sod who has bought your car then???

It would be your problem if it takes a while to sell.

By the way, most of the fly on the wall police TV shows do blur the number plate out.

eschaton

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

By the way, most of the fly on the wall police TV shows do blur the number plate out.

Probably due to privacy laws.

fivetide

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

So you don't give a toss about the poor sod who has bought your car then???

It would be your problem if it takes a while to sell.

By the way, most of the fly on the wall police TV shows do blur the number plate out.

I didn't say that. I only pointed out that you were wrong to worry the OP that their car would be cloned and they'd have the Police at their door.

Rather than getting abusive, perhaps try answering some of the questions posed.

Also, some, not all are blanked. It depends on who has said what to plod.

See here. You'll notice that cars parked up etc are not blanked but the ones involved in incidents sometimes are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9duLuP8Y9qg&feature=related

They are in public and therefore can't hide away really. It's the reason they don't always need to blur people's faces even when they start claiming they can't be filmed.

Essentially, if the police don't feel it is too much of a worry then neither should the OP. I do still agree with you it adds a bit of extra protection but against a very minor proportion of crime. Still nothing for the OP to be concerned over really, hence a bit scaremongering.

Jamie_Carter

fivetide wrote: »

I didn't say that. I only pointed out that you were wrong to worry the OP that their car would be cloned and they'd have the Police at their door.

Rather than getting abusive, perhaps try answering some of the questions posed.

Also, some, not all are blanked. It depends on who has said what to plod.

See here. You'll notice that cars parked up etc are not blanked but the ones involved in incidents sometimes are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9duLuP8Y9qg&feature=related

They are in public and therefore can't hide away really. It's the reason they don't always need to blur people's faces even when they start claiming they can't be filmed.

Essentially, if the police don't feel it is too much of a worry then neither should the OP. I do still agree with you it adds a bit of extra protection but against a very minor proportion of crime. Still nothing for the OP to be concerned over really, hence a bit scaremongering.

I didn't say it would be cloned, I said that it could be. So it is prudent to be on the safe side.

This is the same reason why number plates are removed from vehicles that are waiting to be scrapped.

There are 1000's of cases each year where number plates are cloned. The reasons vary from cars that aren't taxed or insured, right up to cars used from criminal activity. And that is a fact.

So stop arguing for the sake of it, and let the OP take good advice. Just because you haven't done it before, doesn't mean that you are right. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Jamie_Carter

eschaton wrote: »

Probably due to privacy laws.

Possibly, because nobody is going to be stupid enough to clone a car that has just been pulled by the police on national television, as most of them were pulled over because they had a marker on them. Not really a good idea if you are cloning a car so that you don't attract the attention of the police.

fivetide

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

I didn't say it would be cloned, I said that it could be. So it is prudent to be on the safe side.

If that is what you had said then there wouldn't have been a problem. I 100% agree with you on it.

What you actually said was:

Yes you do need to photoshop it out. Cars are cloned like this on a regular basis, and then used for criminal activity. A friend of mine had special branch nearly break his door down once when his car was cloned, and the copy vehicle was used in an armed robbery.

Which is several steps away from that and as I said, a bit scarmongering.

You then claimed it wasn't and that we should look at autotrader as evidence. Checking autotrader showed that it was an exagerated claim because it didn't back you up at all.

There are 1000's of cases each year where number plates are cloned. The reasons vary from cars that aren't taxed or insured, right up to cars used from criminal activity. And that is a fact.

I'm sure it is.

So stop arguing for the sake of it, and let the OP take good advice.

I'm not. I'm just tellign someone who clearly is a bit nervous about this not to be overly concerned about photoshopping their car as they really have little need to worry (unlike your first post)

Just because you haven't done it before, doesn't mean that you are right. It's better to be safe than sorry.

How many more times do I need to tell you I agree with you? Who is arguing for the sake of it when you are putting over a grumpy point that is totally irrelevant?

Finally:

Possibly, because nobody is going to be stupid enough to clone a car that has just been pulled by the police on national television, as most of them were pulled over because they had a marker on them. Not really a good idea if you are cloning a car so that you don't attract the attention of the police.

You should watch the vid. Usually the cars blanked out are the ones they have pulled. The ones that aren't are cars that are parked up etc which is what I said.

Basically, if you are going to make claims like you have here, you need to be able to back them up or at least do some research (not just say look at autotrader) because the first post was a bit over the top for someone in the OP's position.

I hope you can understand that. I'm not having a go, I would simply like the OP not to be unduly concerned when they have a number of other things on the go. If they don't have access to photoshop, it isn't the be all and end all is it? I'm sure you can agree on that?

Jamie_Carter

fivetide wrote: »

If that is what you had said then there wouldn't have been a problem. I 100% agree with you on it.

What you actually said was:



Which is several steps away from that and as I said, a bit scarmongering.

You then claimed it wasn't and that we should look at autotrader as evidence. Checking autotrader showed that it was an exagerated claim because it didn't back you up at all.




I'm sure it is.



I'm not. I'm just tellign someone who clearly is a bit nervous about this not to be overly concerned about photoshopping their car as they really have little need to worry (unlike your first post)



How many more times do I need to tell you I agree with you? Who is arguing for the sake of it when you are putting over a grumpy point that is totally irrelevant?

Finally:



You should watch the vid. Usually the cars blanked out are the ones they have pulled. The ones that aren't are cars that are parked up etc which is what I said.

Basically, if you are going to make claims like you have here, you need to be able to back them up or at least do some research (not just say look at autotrader) because the first post was a bit over the top for someone in the OP's position.

I hope you can understand that. I'm not having a go, I would simply like the OP not to be unduly concerned when they have a number of other things on the go. If they don't have access to photoshop, it isn't the be all and end all is it? I'm sure you can agree on that?

Stop twisting my words around. I gave an example of what happened when a friends car was cloned. I didn't say this would happen to the OP, it was just an example of what could happen. Anyone with any intelligence can work that one out.

Most people who trade on autotrader on a regular basis, do blur out the number plates. Those who don't are people like yourself, who don't realise.

Warning people to hide the number plates on adverts isn't scare mongering, it is good advice to avoid cloning. There was even a report on Watchdog about vehicle cloning a while back, where people were receiving fines through the post that were actually for the vehicle with cloned plates.

So go and argue with someone else rather than those giving good advice.

fivetide

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Most people who trade on autotrader on a regular basis, do blur out the number plates.

Clearly not as a quick check proved that wrong ages ago.

Those who don't are people like yourself, who don't realise.

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Not entirely sure which part of "I agree with you in principle" you are failing to grasp here but that is what? The fifth time I've said it? I most certainly do realise. As for accusing me of twisting your words? That's very poor from someone who accused me of not caring about the buyer of my car and unreasonably so.

As for what happens when a car is cloned - never been up for debate at all. Could be any number of reasons, all described by the Met Police in the link I provided so again, arguing for the sake of arguing. You should maybe take your own advice here.

It would have been good if you had simply said "perhaps the initial post was a bit strong but if you can blank it out, I'd recommend it as an additional security device but if you can't don't lose sleep over it"

If that isn't possible, why not just do what I said at the top of this page and agree to disagree that the first post could have put the wind up an inexperienced vendor?

missile

I wouldn't declare it in the add but tell them if and show them paperwork when they view. I doubt anyone would do a HPI check before viewing.

However, your plan for buyer to pay credit balance would scare me off. I would expect you to pay balance and present clear title before I bought the car.

Jamie_Carter

fivetide wrote: »

Clearly not as a quick check proved that wrong ages ago.



Not entirely sure which part of "I agree with you in principle" you are failing to grasp here but that is what? The fifth time I've said it? I most certainly do realise. As for accusing me of twisting your words? That's very poor from someone who accused me of not caring about the buyer of my car and unreasonably so.

As for what happens when a car is cloned - never been up for debate at all. Could be any number of reasons, all described by the Met Police in the link I provided so again, arguing for the sake of arguing. You should maybe take your own advice here.

It would have been good if you had simply said "perhaps the initial post was a bit strong but if you can blank it out, I'd recommend it as an additional security device but if you can't don't lose sleep over it"

If that isn't possible, why not just do what I said at the top of this page and agree to disagree that the first post could have put the wind up an inexperienced vendor?

Are you still here???? I thought I could hear an annoying sound.