Solve The Debt Problem- Legalise All Drugs

Carl31

A great argument, and one i fully support

I think as our generation (current 20/30 somethings) get older, it will become a more acceptable idea and possible receive the backing it needs, but currently the country is still full of older folks who have only media claims as a source of information from which to form an opinion.

I think the seed has been planted, channel 4 showed that programme on ecstasy the other week, which receiced positive feedback - except in the press, other countries have had success, and this pathetic 'war on drugs' is just the biggest failure in political history.

System

I can support doing a portugal and decriminalising the possession and personal use of it. A lot of effort is spent processing people who get caught with a bag of weed in their pocket and what does it really solve?

I can't see any way, shape or form that creating and selling our own drugs wouldn't lead to massive problems.

homelessskilledworker

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I can support doing a portugal and decriminalising the possession and personal use of it. A lot of effort is spent processing people who get caught with a bag of weed in their pocket and what does it really solve?

I can't see any way, shape or form that creating and selling our own drugs wouldn't lead to massive problems.

I had a job a few weeks ago with this hard looking Scots social worker who was hillarious that come from the wrong side of Glasgow and who now works with cases where there is alchohol and drugs problems.
He had me thinking for the first time ever that there was a good argument for legal selling through the government of drugs.
Theft being one of the biggest problems along with what people are injecting and snorting, in many cases it is only a small percentage of what some think they are getting.

System

I guess I need to understand what people mean by legalising.

Can I walk into the paper shop and buy some ecstasy? There would need to be a guaranteed way of controlling how much people can have and there needs to be a massive education programme about the effects and risks.

Not knowing what you're taking is one of the main risks alongside irresponsbility, anyone can buy a test kit for £10 and they should do if this is their scene.

FTBFun

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Can I walk into the paper shop and buy some ecstasy? There would need to be a guaranteed way of controlling how much people can have and there needs to be a massive education programme about the effects and risks.

No, but assuming you're at least 18, you can buy a can of 8% lager. Is there much difference?

System

FTBFun wrote: »

No, but assuming you're at least 18, you can buy a can of 8% lager. Is there much difference?

I think so yeah. It's a lot harder to kill yourself with 8% lager than it is with Ecstasy.

FTBFun

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I think so yeah. It's a lot harder to kill yourself with 8% lager than it is with Ecstasy.

I'm not convinced by that.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/alcohol-poisoning/Pages/Introduction.aspx

There were 188 deaths due to alcohol poisoning in England and Wales during 2010.

And that's excluding long-term health effects.

However according to this, there were just 8 in the same year from ecstasy

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health3/deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning/2010/stb-deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning-2010.html

homelessskilledworker

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I think so yeah. It's a lot harder to kill yourself with 8% lager than it is with Ecstasy.

But that is so wrong.
Alchohol has so many layers to the problems it causes, from illness, violence, family breakdown to financial. It is not to say ecstasy does not have it's problems, but you will rarely see anyone getting violent on ecstasy, and making it pure would resolve the few deaths there have been.

I wonder how many tens of thousands of lives booze has ruined.

System

FTBFun wrote: »

I'm not convinced by that.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/alcohol-poisoning/Pages/Introduction.aspx



And that's excluding long-term health effects.

However according to this, there were just 8 in the same year from ecstasy

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health3/deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning/2010/stb-deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning-2010.html

Considerably more people binge drink than take ecstasy though.

Of those 8 ecstasy deaths I doubt it's ecstasy that killed them, rather than their actions on it, Leah Betts killed herself by drinking 9 litres of water for example. Most people overheat and collapse. That's an education issue rather than an issue with ecstasy itself.

I'll re-iterate what I said, I think drugs are safe, but I think people are idiots. For all the people I've seen vomiting in the streets and passed out in their own poo, if they'd been treating ecstasy with the same disregard as alcohol they'd be dead imo.

Kinda feel my last 2 paragraphs contradict each other. I hope I'm making some kind of point clear here. It's very easy to OD on drugs, it requires a bit more determination to do it on booze.

Loughton_Monkey

FTBFun wrote: »

There were 188 deaths due to alcohol poisoning in England and Wales during 2010

However according to this, there were just 8 in the same year from ecstasy

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health3/deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning/2010/stb-deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning-2010.html

Are you reading this properly?

188 Alcohol Deaths 2010
2747 Drug poisoning Deaths 2010 of which 791 Heroine/Morphine, and 144 Cocaine)

Additionally, in Table 2 of the data, were 600 deaths from "Mental and behavioural disorders due to drug use (excluding alcohol and tobacco)"

You choose simply ecstacy (8 deaths) when even cannabis caused 11.