What's the law regarding crane / HIAB licences?

Nine_Lives

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Notmyrealname

He has to have certification for HIAB. If he is doing it solely for his employer, his employer can do an in house course but he cannot then do it for anyone else.

they've already had him breaking the law regarding his tacho breaks which he wasn't aware of as he didn't fully understand the law on it.

I don't see how because in order to be employed as a HGV driver he has to have done a Drivers CPC which includes mandatory modules on drivers hours for a newly qualified driver.

Jo_F

If he is doing work that he is not licenced for (HIAB), driving a vehicle bigger than he has a licence for and not taking breaks and rest times as he should (including if he is exceeding driving time) then he will lose his licence. It's his licence and it is up to him to protect it, which basically means saying no to anything he is not licenced for, saying no to being overloaded and saying no to breaking the law with regard to breaks, rest and hours.

He really does need to learn about the breaks, ignorance is no defence to VOSA.

Has he done a Drivers CPC?

Notmyrealname

Jo_F wrote: »

driving a vehicle bigger than he has a licence for

Cat C covers rigid vehicles up to 31 tonnes...

Notmyrealname

K_P83 wrote: »

In that case then it's not a Cat C that he has as he told me he's only covered up to 18 ton rigid gross. Actually no, having said that, i'm sure he told me that he can drive our rigid 8 wheelers that can be more than 18 ton gross. I'm sure i've loaded these vehicles with approx 20 ton net myself, so he may well have his Cat C as you describe.

It has to be Cat C because there is no Class 3 any more so the licence class below Cat C is Cat C1 which is a 7.5t limit.

As he's not solely a driver (though seems to now be going that way), he's working other roles & when he has told his supervisor about requiring a 45 hour break every other weekend, his supervisor has (& i quote) "kicked off big time".

Sounds familiar. Employer wouldn't think that ALL work, driving and non-driving counts in regards to drivers hours and breaks.

Regarding drivers CPC - i'll have to ask, but IIRC, all our drivers have always been sent away on a course on Saturday's for various CPC thingy-ma-jings & the person in question here hasn't to my knowledge. He just got sent out driving at 18 or 19 (can't remember which) & was told he'll just have to 'keep his nose squeaky clean'.

That worries me. Until he has completed 35hrs DCPC training, he cannot be employed as a HGV driver. If you've got grandfather rights because you had a licence prior to its introduction you've got until 2014 to do the 35hrs so can do it in dribs and drabs but anyone who has only passed their test in the last few years has to do the full 35hrs prior to commencing employment as a HGV driver.

What would an in house course entail?
Currently it seems all he'll be getting is gong out with a fellow driver, working the HIAB until he seems competent & then likely being told "ok, now go do it on your own" & that would finalize his 'course/training'.

Health and safety, operating, loading etc complete with written material and recorded assessments. You can't just take someone out, show them what levers to pull and let them get on with it.

rxbren

if he has a driving license to cover the vehicle weight thats not a problem but he would have to have a cpcs hiab/lorry loader ticket for actually using the hiab

rxbren

he will have to do a cscs theory course which is basically a dumb test on site safety and here is a link to the cpcs course for the hiab
http://www.cskills.org/supportbusiness/courses/construction_training_courses/plant_operations/lorry_loader_cpcs_code_a36.aspx

Nine_Lives

Thanks for the link. Just noticed a couple of things:

"CPCS Code A36 Endorsement A – Hook"

The attachments on our vehicles are never hooks - they're brick grabs as shown in the photos above. There's no point where our vehicles ever have these removed either, in place of a hook attachment.

"Who?

Potential and existing operators who have received no formal instruction and those requiring refresher training."


By instruction, i assume they mean training? Not sure what they mean by formal. He has as i've said, had someone go out with him showing him the ropes, but he hasn't had an outsider showing him what is what.

rxbren

its a lorry loader ticket the brick grab is an attachment its the same with 360 tickets you do the course for the machine not the atachment

formal instruction would be theory tests and a proper instructor

as for getting into the quarries not letting drivers without hiab licenses in its down to health and safety law requiring trained opperatives and the cpcs is a proof of competence

but if he is going in there and not using the hiab it would not be a problem as long as he didnt need to move the boom

rxbren

or there is this
http://www.allmi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=154:10-reasons-to-choose-allmi-training&catid=2:latest-news&Itemid=28

SteveJW

Has the employer also complied with LOLER and PUWER regulations see

http://www.hse.gov.uk/work-equipment-machinery/loler.htm