What's the law regarding crane / HIAB licences?

Nine_Lives

Thanks for the linking.

Some of the questioning would be difficult for myself to answer as i'm not in his field & i wouldn't really be able to find out unless i started directing questions at them, which would stand out a mile as it doesn't really concern me & would cause a very sticky situation & i've had enough of those.

As for going in to quarries & not needing to move the boom, this would be impossible.
If you're loading yourself - obviously you need to operate the boom & brick grab.
If you're getting loaded, then you'll also need to operate the boom to move it out the way so that you can get loaded. If there was a way around it, which there isn't, then once on site you'd be out of luck as you couldn't unload without operating the boom, unless you fancy handballing 432 4" solid concrete blocks off the wagon.

But still, i'll pass on your feedback to him. Thanks very much.

rxbren

Some places have forklifts

paddedjohn

In house training only allows the person to use the equipment on your own site, we have shunter drivers who can move trailers around our yard but can't go out onto the road.

Notmyrealname

paddedjohn wrote: »

In house training only allows the person to use the equipment on your own site, we have shunter drivers who can move trailers around our yard but can't go out onto the road.

Completely different. On site, they aren't required to have a HGV licence but they are to go out on the road and also the shunting vehicles, tugs, must be taxed and MOT'd if applicable and comply with construction and use regulations.

Most tugs don't get taxed so they can't go out on the road. And if the shunter doesn't have a HGV licence, they can't go out on the road.

However if both requirements are met, a shunter can go out on the road as it is treated as a Cat C+E vehicle for the purposes of the Road Traffic Act.

paddedjohn

I'm sorry but it's not completely different at all. The drivers I refer to have only had in house training driving shutters and units around the yard and moving trailers in and out of bays or the garage, this in house training only allows these lads to drive on our site and not anywhere else, the same happens if a driver is given in house training on a hiab, they can only use the equipment on site and not anywhere else. This means that they can load or unload the vehicle only at their own premises but not anywhere else.

rxbren

The Working Time Regulations

• A minimum Daily Rest period of 11 hours uninterrupted rest between finishing your job and starting the next day. (Workers aged between 15-18 are entitled to a minimum daily rest break of 12 hours).

• A Weekly Rest period of 24 hours uninterrupted rest within each seven day period (Young Workers aged 15-18 are entitled to 48 hours); or, at the Employers choice, a Fortnightly Rest Period of 48 consecutive hours within each 14 day period.

• The weekly rest period should not include any part of the daily rest period.

• A break of 20 minutes if your daily working day is more than 6 hours long (or 30 minutes if you are aged 15-18 years and you work more than 4.5 hours at a stretch).

• If you are an Agency Temp then the Employer you are working for (not the Agency who employs you) is responsible for you receiving these minimum rest breaks.

• The first 2 type of rest periods are generally unpaid. The 20 minute break may be paid or unpaid, depending on what it says in your contract of employment. For more information on rest breaks please see the Direct Gov website

Imp

As previously posted, I believe LOLER and PUWER are the relevent pieces of law. There isn't a "licence" to operate a HIAB, but you must be competent, the equipment must be suitable for the intended use, and it must be checked to ensure it is still safe.

Competency starts with a training course, demonstrated by a suitable certificate, and is gained by further experience.

rxbren

cpcs is the accrediated competence scheme

Flying-High_2

With the Hiab you have a choice of schemes.. CPCS RTITB or ALLMI much of a muchness although some consruction/civils companies wont or dont recognise anything other than the CPCS