Can Retailer Keep Fake Cash?

maninthestreet

Forwandert wrote: »

No..

Customer hands note over, cashier rings me to explain there is a fake note being presented and to come and deal with the customer also confirming to me it's definitely fake.

I contact the retail park security who in turn contact the local pcso's that patrol the retail park.

Security usually get to the store before everybody else and just keep them talking same as I will have done for the last couple of minutes. The police usually are not far behind when the pcso's contact them. The customer has committed an offence presenting the note as cash. What they arrest them for after that point is not really my concern but they have all left in the back of a police van.

Either way get off your high horse calling me a liar when you don't know what your talking about, just presuming everything.

Wait to you unwittingly get passed a fake note then try to use it in a shop (not knowing the note is actually fake).....

fluffnutter

Forwandert wrote: »

No..

Customer hands note over, cashier rings me to explain there is a fake note being presented and to come and deal with the customer also confirming to me it's definitely fake.

I contact the retail park security who in turn contact the local pcso's that patrol the retail park.

Security usually get to the store before everybody else and just keep them talking same as I will have done for the last couple of minutes. The police usually are not far behind when the pcso's contact them. The customer has committed an offence presenting the note as cash. What they arrest them for after that point is not really my concern but they have all left in the back of a police van.

Either way get off your high horse calling me a liar when you don't know what your talking about, just presuming everything.

Billy bollox. Only if they knew it was fake. I'll bet most people don't realise, and even if they do, it would be so difficult to prove as to not make it worth any copper's time to arrest someone.

This whole thing sounds a complete fantasy. You make it sound like some mafia sting .

If I were a customer and three sets of people 'kept me talking' (the sales assistant, then security, then PCSOs) whilst waiting for the police to arrest me, I'd be out the door. Then what you going to do? Physically prevent my leaving? Dream on.

Frogletina

I had a fake £20 note from a cash point and it was declined in a shop and given back to me many years ago.

The next day I went into the bank to query it and after waiting for what seemed ages, the person returned and gave me a proper banknote in its place.

Sounds as if I was lucky

Matty007

Forwandert wrote: »

No..

Customer hands note over, cashier rings me to explain there is a fake note being presented and to come and deal with the customer also confirming to me it's definitely fake.

I contact the retail park security who in turn contact the local pcso's that patrol the retail park.

Security usually get to the store before everybody else and just keep them talking same as I will have done for the last couple of minutes. The police usually are not far behind when the pcso's contact them. The customer has committed an offence presenting the note as cash. What they arrest them for after that point is not really my concern but they have all left in the back of a police van.

Either way get off your high horse calling me a liar when you don't know what your talking about, just presuming everything.

Who exactly are you working for, The Sweeney ??

Look this episode isnt the Brinks Matt heist, its a consumer unknowingly presenting a fake £20.00 note from a banks ATM.

Up until the police turn up, if they ever would, there is not some legal process needing to be implemented by the general public.

There are guidelines put in place by retailers etc for many likely incidents including fake notes and the shop workers are guided to follow them, but of course have no legal obligation to do so.

Forwandert

fluffnutter wrote: »

Billy bollox. Only if they knew it was fake. I'll bet most people don't realise, and even if they do, it would be so difficult to prove as to not make it worth any copper's time to arrest someone.

This whole thing sounds a complete fantasy. You make it sound like some mafia sting .

If I were a customer and three sets of people 'kept me talking' (the sales assistant, then security, then PCSOs) whilst waiting for the police to arrest me, I'd be out the door. Then what you going to do? Physically prevent my leaving? Dream on.

You would be surprised how many do wait, presumably as in most cases on the retail park the person attempting to use the notes doesn't know where they are and just seeing people in uniforms can just keep them paused for a few minutes. You tend to get groups with one person in control of the notes (doing nothing wrong sat in a car) and the rest going through the shops getting rid of the notes. The groups tend to live miles away from where they are using them. They also can't go back to the car if they did run off as it would give away where the rest of the notes are. In the area I work we tend to get a lot of fake notes attempted by people from Manchester even though it's a good 40 miles away.

Call it what you want but it isn't fantasy or bollox. I'm actually surprised by the responses tbh obviously by people that have never been in the situations so don't have a clue. Many retail parks have radio links to security and the local pcso's though for reasons like this. It's kinda the whole point of having the radio links..

fluffnutter

What you describe is targeted deception by groups of people who are clearly dealing deliberately in counterfeit notes. No doubt the police are aware of this, hence the arrests.

That's a million miles away from some random person wandering into the Co-op with a note they've no idea is fake.

And don't be so rude about Manchester

Sally22_2

I do training for a particular retail brand that has ATMs. The money they put in the ATM has to come directly from our cash centre and kept seperate from the working cash when its in the safe, they cant use money that they have taken in from customers, so technically there should never be fakes as the cash centre has verified all the notes. I guess the banks dont work to the same rule as us!

When I used to actually work in a retail till, I used to actually give back fake notes after pointing out why I could tell it was a fake. Most of the time they said they knew where they had just got it from and given me a different note to pay for their stuff with. I guess I was too lenient! Most people genuinely dont realise they have a fake note.

Bowling_4_Gold

The majority of cash machines in the UK are filled by G4S/Securitas/another money firm, so if you're going to blame anyone then blame them!

eschaton

Forwandert wrote: »

Banks always check any notes sent into the bank from anywhere. On reports I get at work it shows any fake notes rejected from the collections.

Same here but they don't always notice. That means that the bank must be putting fake notes back into circulation.

unholyangel

Forwandert wrote: »

No..

Customer hands note over, cashier rings me to explain there is a fake note being presented and to come and deal with the customer also confirming to me it's definitely fake.

I contact the retail park security who in turn contact the local pcso's that patrol the retail park.

Security usually get to the store before everybody else and just keep them talking same as I will have done for the last couple of minutes. The police usually are not far behind when the pcso's contact them. The customer has committed an offence presenting the note as cash. What they arrest them for after that point is not really my concern but they have all left in the back of a police van.

Either way get off your high horse calling me a liar when you don't know what your talking about, just presuming everything.

Shouldnt you take your own advice about presuming there ? They could have had a warrant out for an unpaid fine. Basically if they catch you while you have an outstanding fine, its either pay on the spot or go to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect £200. They could have been a minor in which case the police would release them into the custody of a parent. They could have been out on bail. Or, like you said....they could be part of a crime ring and police had already had reports of them in the area. The simple fact is that often, nothing is more boring than the truth and people do have a tendency to "glam up" events using their imagination/own version of events (after all....nothing more inconsistent than 100 eye witnesses). We could speculate all day but unfortunately, we'll never know.


As 2 side notes.....my local force has a habit of visiting people with outstanding fines on a friday afternoon/evening......meaning they either have to pay or face the weekend in a cell until the courts open on Monday. Kudos to them being the smart ones. Their traffic counterparts could learn something from them.....they tend to sit at roundabouts to catch people speeding. I've never seen the logic in this as surely the best place to catch people would be a straight road? :think:

As for banks and fake cash.............a consumer show (get dom/watchdog/rip off britain?) withdrew say £1000 in £1 coins from each of the big banks. You would be surprised at how many of them are fake.