Fuel Prices ! We are Mugs !!

Foxy-Stoat_3

Another pointless fuel price thread rant !!!

Annual mileage divided by your MPG * 4.5 = number of ltrs you use in a year.

So average mileage (15,000 miles) * economic car (45 MPG) * 4.5 = 1500 ltrs of fuel. Total annual budget for diesel @ £1.41 = £2,115.

If fuel prices go up by 5p it will cost you £75 per year extra, which would be around 30 fill ups = £2.50 extra each time you fill up.

For the average Joe with a sensible car then the cost of fuel isn't really a factor in the running as we all know how much fuel costs now, and we can only assume it will go up, not by much in the scheme of things.

Joe_Horner

roddydogs wrote: »

So, as I said tell us what taxes you'd increase?

Anything that doesn't affect that list. If you can't work that out for yourself, I'll give you a start:

• VAT on anything not on the list (lots of things there) so it returns to the "luxury tax" that it started as. Heating your home or wearing clothes are NOT luxuries
• Taxes on international travel for Uk residents. You do NOT "need" to get away for your holidays - in fact, it's better for everyone if you spend that cash here thanks.
• Taxes on new cars - they are NOT needed for transport and ultimately most of the "economic benefits" of buying them go back the the home countries of the maker.
• Income above a certain level. Cost of living has been reduced to tiny thanks to these changes, so you don't need that (say) £70k+ income.
• Alcohol - we all like it, and I'd hate for the price to increase, but it's not a requirement of life. Besides, if you really can't do without then make yer own.
• Tobacco - same as above, possibly except the making your own part. Yes, I do smoke and (again) I'd hate to see a price hike. But if it was combined with a commensurate drop in the cost of what I need, I'd be cool with that.
• Taxes on property sales. You do NOT need to not only own your house but also play havoc with the real, productive, economy by looking to profit from it using speculative "value" increasses that exist nowhere except in your (and your mortgage provider's) greedy little mind.

I'm sure you can come up with more if you really try

pioneer31

A._Badger wrote: »

It's impressive (in a sickening sort of way) to see the dismal chorus of 'well, they have to raise the tax somehow, so what difference does it make?'

Has the idea of less government waste and spending, and consequently lower taxes, completely vanished?

Well Said!

Does anyone ever look at govt expenditure and how it can be chopped. Building council houses and not paying £20bn+ per annum of OUR money into private landlords pockets would be a start.

pioneer31

roddydogs wrote: »

Right, they reduce the tax on fuel, now tell us what taxes youd like to rise to make up the shortfall.

Put CGT on Buy To Let windfalls back upto 40% from 18%.

scaredofdebt

Scrap Trident and you could reduce fuel duty by around 10% and that would also help inflation.

I paid around 1.7 Euros a litre when I was in Italy in August and then around 30 Euros each way for the toll for the journey from Milan to Florence.

The truth is what can we do about it, burn down the petrol stations?

I bought a more economical car when I had the chance and drive fairly slowly (but not enough to annoy most people) so it costs me around 11p a mile in fuel, which isn't too bad but I would like to pay less!

pioneer31

I don't actually think that most Brits care that much about the price of fuel.

If they did, then maybe we wouldn't have the roads clogged with 4x4's on the school run every morning.

We also have Car Share, yet I don't know a single person who does it.

verityboo

On the other hand, considering what it goes through to get to the pump, £1.40 a litre is still not bad, even though it is mostly tax.

Today I filled up and the person in front also bought a 1 litre of water for £1.99, now that is a rip-off

oojimmyflip

Some of us dont have a choice owing to disability did anyone think of that? obviously Not then.
If the French fuel prices hit the same level as ours they would block the roads & kidnap the transport minister, we just whine about it and dig ever deeeper into our never ending bottomless pockets struggling like idiots to feed the cars we need to run to get us from our rural homes into the cities on a Monday mornning. you can't just say Move to belgium thats a stupid answer if ever there was one, The original poster is correct "we are mugs" at least nothing like the French who wouldn't tolerate it at all. if you can afford the extra money for an electric car you can afford an annual train ticket to take you to work, the batteries will last a few years and then they will want another several thousand pounds to replace them probably much more than the car is worth.
The batteries use precious metals that cost a bomb to source so theyve got you by the balls as soon as you buy an electric car anyway. This country is no longer a democracy it is for all a dictatorship "you will pay more and like it" Mr Blair even made it illegal to blockade the fuel refinerys WHY did he do that to force us to pay more not because the emergency services wern't getting any fuel because the blockaders actually let tankers going to fuel the emergency services vechicles through the blockade. we don't even have a decent right to protest more and more of our rights are dissapearing at a steady pace and no-one in this country really cares enough to do anything about it, it is all about greed and what money we can make out of each other. does anyone honestly believe that the fuel companies are not price fixing fuel? in ordfer to make a steal whilst they can get away with it, the regulators are supposed to be on their case about this no doubt there is corruption there to the regulators probably have shares in the very companies they are investigating. we are gong the same way as Spain people just can't see it yet and by the time they take their blinkers off it will be to late to stop it, I see food is on the increase yet again this week and Gas the companies cashing in on our need for winter fuel. where did fairness go in the equation that summed up our need to simply get to work earn our money and not be robbed blind by greed? even with my wages at the end of the month I cannot really afford to heat my home but I have to because the walls are becomming more familiar because my car is getting expensive to run it is desocialising us having a detramental effect on our ability to travel other than to work we are becomming controlled by our leaders stuck between our homes and our workplace and i think they like that element of control over the population.

stu20vt

yorkie2 wrote: »

You could emigrate to Belgium

An even better idea would be to move to Germany ('Mercers' quality of living have 4 of Germany's cities in the top 10 in the world, UK don't have any entries until 40 something!!) and drive to Luxembourg or Belgium to fill up with fuel
I cannot wait to move to southern Germany so my family can have a quality of life far superior to anywhere in UK.