Neighbour and our dog :(

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

That isn't a pit bull.

It's a Staff cross.

Personally, I would have no issues with any dog that looked like the OP's on the basis of their appearance - it would only be on the basis of their behaviour. Which sounds fine.


I don't think keeping a dog outside is necessarily cruel - but I would point out that mine really couldn't cope with the cold, even with a coat on, he just felt it more than a dog with a more conventional coat, though.



However, I do think that he is potentially at risk from the moron next door - and the sound of barking, even just once, carries much further outside than when indoors. So I think for his own safety, it is better for him in the end to become accustomed to being inside more.

and at the same time, I know they are immensely strong animals, but you need to be able to control him just as much as your OH - so perhaps dog training classes that you take him to would help you get that level of control over him?

After all, if the moron next door makes it over the fence, you really want to be able to keep Ringo from chewing his balls off because he thinks your little one is at risk from him. Even though I would have no sympathy for the moron.

babysonia

We have kept Ringo inside all day today much to his despair.

I just let him out in the garden as he has not had any excersise for the day and teh neighbour saw- He just did not realise i was standing in the door way.

He came over and kicked our garden door 3/4 times now making him bark. I went to the door to ask him what the problem was and he goes 'Because i want to, make the dog bite me' He seems drunk and i threatened with the police. He did not leave so i have made a call and told them about the issue. He is telling me to call the police saying im just a little girl, ill smash your windows an door down.

Seems to me this time they are taking far longer. Last time they were over in 5mins i suspect it has to do with the barks they could hear in the background. He is mumbling and goading the dog from his upstairs window and i have brought the dog inside.

*Sigh* I dont think this is going to end amicably and i have a log from all the times he has been abusive to us. Im going to show this to the police. Seems a call to enviromental health and the local council is due- He is acting lik a thug.

con1888

babysonia wrote: »

We have kept Ringo inside all day today much to his despair.

I just let him out in the garden as he has not had any excersise for the day and teh neighbour saw- He just did not realise i was standing in the door way.

He came over and kicked our garden door 3/4 times now making him bark. I went to the door to ask him what the problem was and he goes 'Because i want to, make the dog bite me' He seems drunk and i threatened with the police. He did not leave so i have made a call and told them about the issue. He is telling me to call the police saying im just a little girl, ill smash your windows an door down.

Seems to me this time they are taking far longer. Last time they were over in 5mins i suspect it has to do with the barks they could hear in the background. He is mumbling and goading the dog from his upstairs window and i have brought the dog inside.

*Sigh* I dont think this is going to end amicably and i have a log from all the times he has been abusive to us. Im going to show this to the police. Seems a call to enviromental health and the local council is due- He is acting lik a thug.

Please report him to the council, he is their tenant and if he is causing other peoples (ie YOU) grief then this is something the councils anti social behaviour team must take on.

con1888

zaksmum wrote: »

I suppose some dogs do live outside all their lives, but I'd never allow it for any of my dogs.

They live here in the house with us, have the run of the house and the best care, love and comfort I can give them.

If you are going to have a dog at all, you have a duty to look after the dog to the best of your ability.

My dogs too have always been at home dogs but that's just how I was brought up, some people have been brought up having their dogs outside. A man I know keeps retired greyhounds and they are kept outside in a kennel that is more luxury than the home ! It has proper heating, raised beds, insulation, a dogflap into the run and running water provided by a fountain. I remember as kids I was friends with his son and it was great when we used to sneak into the dog kennel and run :rotfl:

krlyr

Given his latest behaviour I would definately have the dog either indoors or in a secure run (if you're happy with the kennel, you can buy a run to build around it) because it sounds like he will end up taking his frustration out on the dog, whether it's causing it harm, releasing it from your garden or goading it into biting him so action will be taken. I wouldn't take any chances and would ensure that he never gets the chance to do any of the above by keeping the dog contained at all times unless closely supervised.

I would also say that you need to train some of the guarding behaviour out of him, especially in regards to this man. Work on his recall and commands like quiet or leave it, just in general, and then apply them to when this man is around. Have some really high value treats to reward him when he ignores this man. The less the neighbour can goad him into barking, then a) the less interest he may hold in winding up the dog and b) the less believable any story he concocts would be.
Don't worry, I imagine he would still very much protect you from an intruder but I think his behaviour towards this neighbour really needs to be addressed. I have two guarding breeds that I've had to train not to react to the neighbour's dogs barking, to people walking past the house now that we've moved somewhere more built up, and to not bark at the neighbours or their workman during their extension. I have no doubt they'd still do a good job protecting the home in the event of a breakin but the other situations do not warrant guarding and make them a nuisance noise at risk of being complained about, so I do not encourage this behaviour, I do the opposite and train them out of it.

Fire_Fox

babysonia wrote: »

We have kept Ringo inside all day today much to his despair.

I just let him out in the garden as he has not had any excersise for the day and teh neighbour saw- He just did not realise i was standing in the door way.

He came over and kicked our garden door 3/4 times now making him bark. I went to the door to ask him what the problem was and he goes 'Because i want to, make the dog bite me' He seems drunk and i threatened with the police. He did not leave so i have made a call and told them about the issue. He is telling me to call the police saying im just a little girl, ill smash your windows an door down.

Seems to me this time they are taking far longer. Last time they were over in 5mins i suspect it has to do with the barks they could hear in the background. He is mumbling and goading the dog from his upstairs window and i have brought the dog inside.

*Sigh* I dont think this is going to end amicably and i have a log from all the times he has been abusive to us. Im going to show this to the police. Seems a call to enviromental health and the local council is due- He is acting lik a thug.

Very sorry to read this, it's totally unacceptable behaviour. Keep reporting it to the police even if they are not initially taking action, you want a long list of reports on your side. Definitely net the garden in so he can't throw anything poisoned in.

Paradigm

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

That isn't a pit bull.

It doesn't need to be, if it meets certain official standards/measurements then it could be classed as pit bull type!

How this works god only knows but it's mightily difficult to defend.

babysonia

krlyr wrote: »

Given his latest behaviour I would definately have the dog either indoors or in a secure run (if you're happy with the kennel, you can buy a run to build around it) because it sounds like he will end up taking his frustration out on the dog, whether it's causing it harm, releasing it from your garden or goading it into biting him so action will be taken. I wouldn't take any chances and would ensure that he never gets the chance to do any of the above by keeping the dog contained at all times unless closely supervised.

I would also say that you need to train some of the guarding behaviour out of him, especially in regards to this man. Work on his recall and commands like quiet or leave it, just in general, and then apply them to when this man is around. Have some really high value treats to reward him when he ignores this man. The less the neighbour can goad him into barking, then a) the less interest he may hold in winding up the dog and b) the less believable any story he concocts would be.
Don't worry, I imagine he would still very much protect you from an intruder but I think his behaviour towards this neighbour really needs to be addressed. I have two guarding breeds that I've had to train not to react to the neighbour's dogs barking, to people walking past the house now that we've moved somewhere more built up, and to not bark at the neighbours or their workman during their extension. I have no doubt they'd still do a good job protecting the home in the event of a breakin but the other situations do not warrant guarding and make them a nuisance noise at risk of being complained about, so I do not encourage this behaviour, I do the opposite and train them out of it.

Thank you for the idea's i had a personal trainer come today he did the official checks today and will be back tomorrow to start training. I hope this works.

Person_one

babysonia wrote: »

We have kept Ringo inside all day today much to his despair.

I just let him out in the garden as he has not had any excersise for the day and teh neighbour saw- He just did not realise i was standing in the door way.

Why hadn't he had any exercise all day?

Padding around the garden isn't enough exercise for a young dog, he needs a good walk every single day. If he's more tired physically and has had a bit of mental stimulation from the smells and sights on his walk that might well help him to settle more easily in the house.

I understand its hard to be told that you're doing things wrong, but there are a lot of people on this thread with a lot of dog owning and training experience who are all unanimously telling you that its a bad idea to keep this dog outside as a 'guard dog'. Please swallow your pride and listen, we aren't picking on you, we all genuinely want the best for this dog, which is to be a happy, relaxed family pet with no burden of responsibility for your safety and security.

babysonia

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Very sorry to read this, it's totally unacceptable behaviour. Keep reporting it to the police even if they are not initially taking action, you want a long list of reports on your side. Definitely net the garden in so he can't throw anything poisoned in.

Just spoke to the police officer. The neighbour has left his property. Most likely to get drunk. The officer is coming back tomorrow to speak to him and to see what they can do. If anything else happens he will be getting arrested for criminal damage.

Im going to make my calls to the council tommorw. I was wondering why i havent got a letter from the noise pollution team as i have looked on the website and it says they contact the owner to tell them about the problem. We have had no contact from them so i guess he is bluffing and using it as a excuse to try and scare us. Any how im going to be contacting them regarding his video camera as he said they told him o place it there but on the site it says they use audio recording equipment.