A new income stream?

daveyjp

Our local cinema complex PPC is now trying to manage parent and child spaces. The new spaces are normal spaces with what I think is a pushchair painted on them.

The signs appear to say they manage them by looking for child seats in cars! No seat (s) £100 invoice. The PPCs really are desperate.

taffy056

So you have some strange people looking in cars, if it was me I would phone the police saying that someone is acting suspiciously around my vehicle

fil_cad

They are so desperate to rake money in now

RENEGADE_2

Child seat nothing. I actually have a child seat because I have my boy every day for some hours. He is nearly three (but I am divorced, sadly). There are three points here.

Point 1: I don't remove and replace that car seat every day. Where would I keep it? Asides being a pain in the backside, it is easier for me to keep it there as a fixture.

Point 2: The boy is growing, and it won't be long before he doesn't need it. He'll still be a child dependent on his parent, the driver. So, does no car seat = no proof of children?

Point 3: This is a PPC so who gives a monkey??!!

No doubt that genuine cases of people with children but no child seat will get PCNs, appeal, fail...then come here only to discover the entire game is one scam. The PPCs are their own worst enemy.

Fergie76

http://www.townandcityparking.co.uk/our_services_dpc.html

Disabled, Parent and Child Bays - Management and Enforcement

Abuse of Disabled and Parent and Child (DPC) parking bays is a growing problem, causing inconvenience and distress to those affected. More and more retailers and local authorities are determined to take action.

TCP has led the way in addressing the problem in partnership with major retailers such as Asda. We manage the whole process of implementing and enforcing DPC parking whilst priding ourselves on handling the issue sensitively.

The scheme has not only proved popular with the public but has the added benefit of being cost effective and can be self funding. This improved experience of parking can also increase customer loyalty. It has set a new benchmark for the parking industry and could potentially signal the end of the abuse of Disabled and Parent and Child bays.

The Disabled Persons’ Parking Places Bill recently received approval by the Scottish Parliament, and will soon become law. All Disabled Parking Places, including those in supermarkets, will be enforceable. TCP has in depth experience in enforcing these regulations with benefits to car park owners and customers.

Lone_Ranger_2

Would love to see that in court. "And why have you brought this man to court" asked the magistrate. "For having no child seat in his car, sir" replyed the !!!!. :rotfl:

sorry, Deck of cards by Wink Martindale, it was a great record from the 60s.

RENEGADE_2

All Disabled Parking Places, including those in supermarkets, will be enforceable.

So be it. I don't see where TCP will benefit. Apart from their rhetoric inadvertently surmising that current issues are NOT enforceable, someone needs to tell them that the minute one activity is annexed by Common Law, it is no longer subject to Contract Law and contraventions become an offence, penalties are implemented, and non-payment is deferred to magistrates. The landowner will soon realise he doesn't require a PPC for this venture so if he cares that much, he'll issue the penalties himself - appeals will be handled independently, and most of all, unsuccessful appeals will result in money being paid to the state. In other words, it will be little more spectacular than Railway Byelaw 14. If TCP honestly believe that this will give them an exception within Contract Law to impose penalties and make a profit, then they are severely mistaken.

RENEGADE_2

The scheme has not only proved popular with the public...

What? Have they conducted a survey? I don't remember being asked this....

The nation is slowly but surely growing sick to the back teeth with PPCs and they have very few sympathisers outside of their own rank and file.

Any halfwit can say on first impression, "yeah, enforcing it is a good idea", especially if he hasn't ever been struck with a PCN from a PPC. Without first-hand examples, one doesn't give a minute's thought as to whether enforcement will be conducted by police, council or other acting authority.

But it's the same old song. Popularity with the public is not what the judge wishes to hear when you're justifying de facto penalties in court.

Kite2010

They conducted a survey, they asked around the office and 1 out of 1 person asked agreed, hence it is popular with the public.

The local Council-run Asda car-park has some "advisory" parent and child bays, and apart from the chavs in their OOT modified Saxos they work.

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PPCs can introduce whatever rules they like, they can introduce a rule where only yellow cars can park in certain bays, doesn't make it anymore enforceable.

RENEGADE_2

Kite2010 wrote: »

They conducted a survey, they asked around the office and 1 out of 1 person asked agreed, hence it is popular with the public.

The local Council-run Asda car-park has some "advisory" parent and child bays, and apart from the chavs in their OOT modified Saxos they work.

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PPCs can introduce whatever rules they like, they can introduce a rule where only yellow cars can park in certain bays, doesn't make it anymore enforceable.

There's a thought! Chavs. They are certainly in breach, I mean their case is the opposite. Where is the parent?

Kite2010

I saw a really good car-park "managed" by Euro Car-parks, it's less a car-park more a goods yard giving loading access to shops in a retail centre, the only way in and out is via a barrier controlled by an intercom. It's no unauthorised parking in there...

...like anybody who is truly unauthorised to be in the area would be able to get in. More likely to try and catch out the employees parking 1mm over the white lines.