Apcoa/roxburghe

msinclair8

I received a letter from APCOA parking company stating that I owed them £80 as a fine for the alleged contravention of 04-Dropping off or picking up outside of a designated area. Due to the fact I am staff at the airport, and another member of staff alighted from my car as she was going to be late and we were in standstill traffic, i was advised to ignore further correspondence from APCOA. however, I have now received a letter from Roxburghe Debt collectors, stating that if i do not pay £131 within 10 days it will passed on to solicitors "Graham White". should i continue to ignore?

surfboy1

Yes , just ignore

taffy056

So somebody who was not driving got out of a car in a traffic jam, this will not see any court any time soon, how can there be any possible loss ? Just ignore roxburghe and graham white when they write to you, they are just roxburghe pretending to be solicitors .

Coupon-mad

msinclair8 wrote: »

I received a letter from APCOA parking company stating that I owed them £80 as a fine for the alleged contravention of 04-Dropping off or picking up outside of a designated area.

Due to the fact I am staff at the airport, and another member of staff alighted from my car as she was going to be late and we were in standstill traffic, i was advised to ignore further correspondence from APCOA.

However, I have now received a letter from Roxburghe Debt collectors, stating that if i do not pay £131 within 10 days it will passed on to solicitors "Graham White". should i continue to ignore?

Yes, ignore it all. Like all the other posters on this board, you have a fake PCN.

When dealing with "tickets" from private parking companies (PPCs) our advice for tickets issued until the end of September is to ignore them as long as you or a family member are the registered keeper, because it's just a matter of the keeper getting some junk mail.

Nothing else happens, no Court, no CCJ, nothing.

Tick off the threatening letters here.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion here.

Why not complain in writing or by email to your Union and/or the Airport authorities about staff being threatened like this by a company which has no lawful authority to fine anyone. Only the Council or Police (or rarely, a Train Operator) can do that.

RENEGADE_2

Graham White and Roxburghe are one and the same. Debt collectors or not, the only time a debt is valid is when it has been declared so by a competent court. This is a nexus of scammers praying on your timidity so you are duped into paying remittance. Not only did your action not cost them one penny for them to claim actual losses, they have targetted you as keeper of the vehicle and do not even know whether you are the source of the alleged breach of conditions. You are not obliged to speak to them - you only have to tell the court who drove if asked. And that is one major "if".

Since APCOA know that they are clueless who their suspect is and that they are not out of pocket due to the action, they have no leg to stand on in court and will not even try it.

Just ignore it and it will stop after about five or six threatograms.

bazster

I'm guessing this is blydi Luton again.

RENEGADE_2

I fly out of Luton next Tuesday. I've already booked off-airport parking as I always do - but I have this itching desire to just drive onto the compound and "breach" their rotten terms. I mean, discouraging motorists from abusing the system on private car parks merely because they can is one thing, but these regulations at airports, chiefly Luton, are extremely petty. They upset nothing at all. And the marauding measures of the airport coupled with its reliance upon monkeys such as APCOA is a giveaway that there is no end to their scavanging for pennies.

The_Slithy_Tove

When a similar situation as the OP's occurs after 1st October, no doubt APCOA will assert that the registered keeper is liable for the so-called charge. However, surely this isn't a Parking Charge (which is what the relevant section of the POFA is all about), as the car was not parked by any reasonable definition. Surely all the airport-generated tickets fall outside the legislation, and are even less enforceable. No doubt, the POFA fails properly to define what a Parking Charge actually is.

taffy056

But you can't stop a passenger jumping out of a vehicle, I used to be a taxi driver and the number of I will get out here as they are rushing to get to a train or bus I had was an everyday experience. You can't possibly be liable for the actions of another adult in these situations. What you supposed to do say no ?

bazster

TST, that's a brilliant spot! APCOA cannot hold the RK liable over all this stopping-to-drop-someone-off hooey of which they are so fond, and if they try to do so a DVLA suspension looms even after 1st October!

In legal terms parked, means the standing of a vehicle, whether it is occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose of and while one is actually engaged in the act of loading or unloading of property or passengers.

Actually I think that's an American definition, but I believe it's similar in the UK: you are not considered to be parked if you have stopped purely to pick up or drop off passengers. There may be a prohibition on stopping, but that's not covered by POFA, it is concerned purely with parking

bazster

BTW, does anyone know exactly what the signage at Luton Airport says these days?

As has been discussed before, if it simply says "No Stopping" then there is no offer. And if there is no offer, then there is no contract. And if there is no contract...

I suppose there might be a sign which states something along the lines of "By using this road you agree to comply with all signs, road markings etc etc blah blah blah" but I can't see how that can hold water as a contract either because there's no chance of someone reading it all whilst whizzing by at 20mph.

If there is no contract then this should be an absolute show-stopper for them re DVLA access. No contract = no reasonable cause. In this case you don't even need to invoke HMRC vs VCS, or Dunlop.