Wasting you money dieting?

absolutebounder

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

OK.

So what are the reasons for weight gain.


And how is this addressed in order to decrease the amount of bodyfat?

Everyone will be different. there is a psychological reason behind eating more when your body knows it is full. eg as a child did you get praise for finishing your plate?

1940sGal

absolutebounder wrote: »

Everyone will be different. there is a psychological reason behind eating more when your body knows it is full. eg as a child did you get praise for finishing your plate?

Despite what i said in a previous post i'll tell you why i ended up overweight. I started work at McDonalds at 16 after leaving school. I was pretty skinny til then. But like an idiot i never took my own lunches and ate a free Maccy D's every shift. My weight ballooned obviously.

I lost a bit after a while but i've remained around the 13 stone mark for a few years now. My diet has improved but i never exercised hence my weight never changed. And my god do i love baking/eating cake The difference now since starting to eat better is that instead of reaching for biscuits/cake/crap when i'm peckish, i reach for fruit/veg. I have 3 proper meals instead of brekkie and dinner and crap snacks in between.

But I've had enough. I'm going abroad next year for the first time since 1997 and I'm determined to wear a bikini and not look like a lard a**e.

You're right, it is all psychological. But there's a difference between a fad diet and a good healthy lifestyle. The latter doesn't need to cost the earth and is a damned site more sustainable in the long term.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

absolutebounder wrote: »

Everyone will be different. there is a psychological reason behind eating more when your body knows it is full. eg as a child did you get praise for finishing your plate?

No. Was either kept hungry, kept with cheap rubbishy bits (ie, kids got a bony chicken wing each, adult got all the breast meat as it was too good for children), battered for trying to take extra due to hunger or practically force fed junk (crisps and fizzy drinks, not sweets) whilst being told alternately you were fat, ugly and everybody hated you or that you were allergic to everything. Oh, with a side order of continual criticism seasoned with occasional punches to the head where they wouldn't bruise.

Followed by a period of vegetarianism which consisted of being told constantly it was anorexia, except 'you're still fat' (at under 9 stone). Ended after a few years, severe anaemia and being too skint as a young single mum to turn down the offer of a free meal that involved meat.



Does that conflict with expectations that food was equated with love and security?

Fire_Fox

AbsoluteBounder go back to stirring the pudding on Discussion Time.

SandC

Actually I can see where AbsoluteBounder is coming from with this.

It is psychological. I have been analysing myself and haven't come up with the reasons behind it but look at it like this: a fat/overweight/big person becomes so through taking more energy in than they use up. We all know that. But a person who seemingly never has trouble with their size or weight never allows themselves to put on more weight than their personal alarm bell will allow.

Yet those of us who have been fat, a lot bigger, several sizes above what we want to be, somehow ignore the signs, don't do anything when we have put 7lbs (or whatever) on or simply don't even acknowledge what is happening to our bodies. So we let it go on and on until we reach a point where we become at our biggest, so we do something about it and perhaps get back to where we feel happiest..... but then the same thing happens again.

With me it was pretty much in 5 or so year cycles, that's how long it would take to get to bigger and back down again. But now I won't let myself.

The problem of course is we have to get back to where we feel happy and comfortable before getting into the mindset of the 'slim' person. We are all slim people underneath the fat, it's just how we deal with food and energy that matters. It really is best to forget diets and do things very slowly.

I actually consider my old lifestyle to have been me on a diet...... now I'm off that ridiculously unhealthy diet (which includes lifestyle/getting my arris type stuff) my size has eventually stabilised.

I do think the SW and WW are healthy 'diets' but they are still diets and anything that you are doing that you feel you can come off (for a hol or Xmas etc.) is ultimately not ideal for permanent changes until you see it as your way of life all the time.

pinkteapot

What a ridiculous post OP. I lost two stone with Weight Watchers. I had gained weight because I ate too much. Dinner portions too large (though the meals weren't unhealthy food), too many naughty snacks and too much wine. It wasn't because of some childhood trauma. I wasn't compensating for something missing in my life. Simply put, wine and chocolate biscuits are just delicious.

I liked Weight Watchers because it taught me portion control and taught me how those snacks add up. It's completely liveable long-term because you have a daily allowance of points while losing weight (for which I ate exactly the same foods as before but in smaller quantities - I didn't suddenly start living on weird diet food) and then a higher daily allowance once you're at goal and want to maintain your weight. It taught me the correct amount of food that's needed on a daily basis to stay the same weight. And how to cut back on the days after a special occasion, holiday etc where you do treat yourself.

So, assuming you would call Weight Watchers a diet, it worked for me and a lot of other people.

Idiophreak

Err...when I'm watching what I eat, I eat less.....so I *save* money...??

SandC

pinkteapot but do you get where I'm coming from in that the roots of getting big are pyschological not because of a trauma or that you are hiding behind a size (although these situations do occur a lot too) but there is always going to be something in the head of someone we would 'perhaps' refer to as 'naturally slim' that makes them do something about it once they've put a certain amount of weight on.

I wish I could get to the bottom of it, but it always stuns me to hear people who have only ever varied in weight by a couple of lbs all their adult lives - once we admit this is down to something which is in our heads rather than making excuses or telling ourselves they have fast metabolisms etc. (fat people have faster metabolisms than thin, generally) we can really start to deal with it and permanently.

AvadaKedavra

absolutebounder wrote: »

Yes you are. diets dont work. yes in the short term you lose a few pounds but in the long term as soon as you stop dieting back on the weight goes.
the reason is that any hint of deprivation (which diets are doing to you) and the body stores up fat for a rainy day.
so your choice is yo yo diet or eat rabbit food and have hunger pains for the rest of your life.
alll this is because the diet industry (worth about 31 billion per year doesnt sort out the underlying problem for your weight gain.
Do you ever get honest with your self and think about the true reason you have a weight problem?

I have been IF (Intermittent fasting) for a few months now.

http://www.wikihow.com/Adopt-an-Intermittent-Fasting-Diet

Thought I would share this with anyone who was interested.

I have lost lots of fat with the help of exercising of course, jogging, walking, Muay thai and training. On my eat days I sometimes consume up to 3000 calories a day other days far less. It is a good way IMO to lose fat.

lazer

I put on weight because i was in a car accident and was generally incative for a while after that, and didn't change what I ate to compensate for burning less calories.


I have now lost weight simply by eating less and exercising more. I do not follow any particular diet, nor subscribe to any plans such as weightwatchers etc, personally i don't agree with these, as although they are essentailly teaching healthy living, they ignore factors such as makig sure you gettign the right vitamins, minerals etc, it is all about how many points you eat.

Also nearly everyone i know that has followed these plans eventually gets fed up of it and puts at least some of the weight back on after they stop going to the classes.

Losing weight is basic - eat less calories than you use and you will lose weight.

The mechanics of it may differ depending on various factors such as metabolism, storage of fat if you dont eat enough etc.