filtering, right or wrong?

Paradigm

arcon5 wrote: »

I read an article recently involving a collision under similar circumstances whereby the police deemed both parties as 'non-fault'. Although a court may not agree.

I wonder what they'd say in this case .... now this is "filtering" with a capital F

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE

mkirkby

Just on this point, is filtering these days accepted more than a few years ago? I remember when I first started to ride many years ago, I would quite often (perhaps twice a week) get people deliberately moving to block my way when filtering on the motorway.

Nowadays it seems like more and more people are actually doing the opposite and moving to the side (including dare I say it; new white Audis and BMWs).

Odd as these are the people who generally tailgate under different circumstances.

Maybe people are just resigned to the fact that they are there for the duration, or maybe modern cars are more pleasant and soothing places to be?

Lum

I personally don't care if a motorbike filters on the motorway, and tend to move over to allow it. I figure it's up to the biker if they want to filter or not, some will, some wont.

If you move over for them, it lets the biker know you have actually seen them, so they might be more likely to filter. Nobody likes being in a queue and I really don't begrudge the fact that bikers can slip through, it's not like they're going to be slowing me down or causing me any inconvenience, and it's hardly an inconvenience to move over for them, so I really can't see any reason not to move over.

In local traffic, I do think it should be an "at your own risk" type affair, since it's basically overtaking, so if the car or van you are overtaking stops to allow someone from a side street to the left to turn right in front of them, it should be the responsibility of the biker to check for this before popping out from alongside it.

mikey72

That's not filtering.

If traffic is stopped for a pedestrian crossing, and you overtake them on the wrong side of the road, you're overtaking.

I guess from what you have said, one of the cars you were overtaking has stopped short of the car in front, to let another motorist turning right from a side road out in front of him, while the traffic had stopped coming the other way?

Probably his fault, but as you're hidden by the line of cars, and no one would expect you to be there, and they're going to be a lot less attentive as as the other traffic on the main road has stopped, and will be coming out quickly before the light changes, it's going to down to you not to be run over.

JQ.

I doubt the courts would agree, but I would place some responsibility with the car driver that stopped short. If I let somebody out in slow moving traffic I'll always check both mirrors before doing so to avoid this exact incident.

Lum

They could just as easily be stopping short to allow people coming from the opposite direction to turn right. This is something I do regularly when in a stop/start queue.

Sometimes when you stop to let someone out, what you did isn't enough on it's own, (e.g. if there's two lanes in the same direction) but you stop anyway in the hope that someone else might do the same. You can't just say "oh she shouldn't have stopped because it wasn't safe for the other car to pull out yet" because if that became a precedent then people would hardly ever be able to stop and let people out.

spiro

Brallaqueen wrote: »

I was on my scooter filtering down a queue of stationary vehicles up to pedestrian crossing. I know that I have to stop behind the first vehicle.

You have to stop as soon as you reach the start of any zig zag lines, if you continue past the start of the lines you are breaking the law. Technically even if some numpty parks on the zig zags you cant pass him but I'm not sure how the courts would view this.

Brallaqueen

Thanks everyone, lots of food for thought

PasturesNew

It's not filtering... it's "overtaking the line of waiting cars, on the outside". If you're doing that you need to first stick a pair of eyes up your bum and on both elbows, then proceed on full alert at a little over walking pace.

arcon5

Got an email this morning linking to this case, might be of interest to some

http://www.casecheck.co.uk/CaseLaw.aspx?EntryID=18812&CaseType=Personal+Injury&CaseTitle=Burton+v+Evitt+%5b2011%5d+EWCA