State workers still enjoy advantage over private employees

chewmylegoff

headcone wrote: »

Please someone/anyone explain to me why they choose jobs in the private sector as opposed to the land of milk and honey public sector i am genuinely confused.

because, as is always pointed out, a lot of the public sector jobs, especially the low paid ones, have been outsourced to the private sector in recent years, i expect.

FTBFun

hildosaver wrote: »

Yes in many ways being a nurse, paramedic, social worker, teacher, etc are neither challenging nor worthy of any respect as jobs. Very good point and well put. I'm sure the pursuit of generating wealth for other people is both challenging because 90% of people won't ever make the big bucks in the private sector and it must be wonderful to feel soo valued.

These aren't all the jobs in the public sector though are they?

I always find it odd that the "good" parts at the sharp endof the public sector are always focused on yet the rest - in local government, the civil service etc - are ignored.

There are more civil servants at the MOD than infantry soldiers in the British Army.

lostinrates

FTBFun wrote: »

These aren't all the jobs in the public sector though are they?

I always find it odd that the "good" parts at the sharp endof the public sector are always focused on yet the rest - in local government, the civil service etc - are ignored.

There are more civil servants at the MOD than infantry soldiers in the British Army.

And indeed, a number of those jobs listed are not exclusive ro the public secror.

Fwiw, i do thing the state should be a model employer, and set the tone for the expectations of rights people should have. If the state cannot offer good working environemmt what right does it have to ask private sector too. It should be exemplary, but it should also be examplary in results attained.

adouglasmhor

jbreckmckye wrote: »

What if I told you that the NHS spend per capita is half the total private health spend per capita in the United States of America?

I would say that as the USA is the only 1st world nation without a universal health care system you are talking apples and orang-utans.

Rightly or wrongly you can't compare the 2 systems.

hildosaver

Most of these jobs are in the public sector as you well know, not all though I admit but by far the majority are public sector.

Look I have worked in many different jobs, public and private sector. I've seen first hand whilst working in a low level civil service job the amount of waste, red tape and non-jobs around within some civil service departments and I totally agree that there could be considerable trimmings and efficiency savings to be made in these areas.

However when you wrap every public sector job up together you are tainting many highly skilled, high stress and long-hour jobs that involve a lot of dedication and quite often are not payed as well as similar positions within the private sector, why do people do these then? Well for a lot of them I believe it's that these people do it for a sense of the common good and the desire to help people, not just to make huge amounts of cash.

I have worked in the private sector and believe me there is very little difference in low level private and low level public sector jobs in my experience anyway. The Private sector are extremely important for generating wealth in the country and I admire those who have done extremely well for themselves through hard work and dedication. I just would prefer if those who have a low opinion of public sector jobs would understand that it takes just as much hard work and dedication to do many of the public service jobs also and they benefit society and the country in other equally valuable ways.

The_White_Horse

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Public sector workers are the backbone of this country.

i think you mean "millstone"

Conrad

jbreckmckye wrote: »

Inefficiency and politics are traits of large organizations, not public ones.

My own experience is that for example a broken leg for a private sector employee, results in just a few days off and then managing on crutches to do ones job, whereas you can really push the envelope in a public sector setting, and get weeks, even months off.

Jamie_Carter

mystic_trev wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2200888/State-workers-enjoy-advantage-private-employees.html

That's the sort of anti public sector cr#p you would expect from the Daily Mail

My mate is a fireman and earns about £28000 per year after 20 years service. He works a 42 hour week, which works out at about £12.80 per hour. He also works nights, and bank holidays (including Christmas day). And he does a highly skilled and dangerous job.

You also have to remember that most low paid and unskilled public sector jobs are now done by private cotractors. So this means that what is left in the public sector is top heavy with highly skilled professionals, rather than low paid cleaners etc.. So the report is bound to show this. So the report is obviously just misleading propoganda that has been put out proir to another attack on public sector workers.

hildosaver

Conrad wrote: »

My own experience is that for example a broken leg for a private sector employee, results in just a few days off and then managing on crutches to do ones job, whereas you can really push the envelope in a public sector setting, and get weeks, even months off.

Sorry what evidence do you have for this? I've had a similar experience within my job in the Public sector and I was expected back in work within a matter of days. Indeed a colleague of mine was violently assaulted while on duty in work and returned to work within a few days. I realise that not everybody in the public services work in a place that expects you to deal with challenging and quite often violent behaviour in work, but where I work does and the vast majority of people here who have been unfortunate enough to get hurt while on duty have had an expectation that it is part of the job and to get on with it.

Once again it's just broad assumptions and accusations.

Jamie_Carter

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i think you mean "millstone"

Don't even start. I've just seen the other trolling thread that you started in the attempt to start an argument.