good jobs that don't require any qualifications?

wantsajob

ILW wrote: »

Thats what annoys the grads.
They tend to think it very unfair when some uneducated salesperson is earning twice what they are.

TBF I think there's more grads in entry level positions earning £20-£26k, who can be bemused by those working supposedly much higher up the career ladder as "Managers" and earning less.

For example:
£18k as a department manager in Greggs.
£16k as studio manager for Pixifoto (their job descriptions say plus bonus, but the bonus is not very much, and if you start to get it, they move the goal posts to make sure you don't/try to make you put more effort in).

There are very few people in sales who make worthwhile bonuses. Those that do are the very pushy type, who won't take no for an answer, and I would consider anchors anyway, lol. Still I suppose if the technique works, and you have the skills, then use it. The majority don't do well, and are gotten rid of, then replaced by a new bunch. This is why you'll always see jobs for energy sales at the job centre.

chiefgoobster

The Army ?

sniggings

lollipopsarah wrote: »

you don't have to live in london, a friend of mine is a tube drive and lives in essex.
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On second thoughts I would prefer London

nearlyrich

wantsajob wrote: »

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There are very few people in sales who make worthwhile bonuses. Those that do are the very pushy type, who won't take no for an answer, and I would consider anchors anyway, lol. Still I suppose if the technique works, and you have the skills, then use it. The majority don't do well, and are gotten rid of, then replaced by a new bunch. This is why you'll always see jobs for energy sales at the job centre.

Probably why you want a job and I have one, as a very successful sales person with a great reputation for not being pushy. I don't sell energy by the way and I wonder what you call a worthwhile bonus ?

mustang121

nearlyrich wrote: »

Probably why you want a job and I have one, as a very successful sales person with a great reputation for not being pushy. I don't sell energy by the way and I wonder what you call a worthwhile bonus ?

Depends on what you are selling. Energy sellers, cold callers, car sales people, double-glazing and other crap like that are pointless jobs whom everybody hates.

If you work for a multi-national company, trying to get find sales for parts to be incorporated into massive projects. E.g. Aerospace, constuction, car manufacturing etc

Then those sales jobs are slighly different. You still need to be pushy and confident, but at least you don't annoy the public.

wantsajob

nearlyrich wrote: »

Probably why you want a job and I have one, as a very successful sales person with a great reputation for not being pushy. I don't sell energy by the way and I wonder what you call a worthwhile bonus ?

I couldn't sell as I have a disability anyway which affects my social and communication skills. Selling usually requires pushiness. Even approaching people is pushy IMO as, if I want to buy something, I'll be approaching you. And my luck has changed recently as I'm starting a graduate-level job soon.

I know many organisations set a target, and if you reach that target, you get some silly fixed amount like £10 - then if you reach the target, the goal posts are narrowed for the next month. I would hardly call that a worthwhile bonus. I would say a fixed per cent, or amount, per sale would be the best type. It gives you the incentive to do well. I guess a bonus where you could realistically easily match the basic wage would be worthwhile.

And of course the best thing to be selling is a product or service people actually want to buy, at a price they want to pay. Where people are falling over themselves to come to you and buy. Pretty much common-sense really, but there are way too many businesses out there that buck this trend. They think all you have to do is set sales targets, and a product will sell.

denla

DKLS wrote: »

Depends largely on experience, sometimes experience can outweigh qualifications, sometimes qualifications are gate keepers.

e.g. PRINCE2 is often a gateway qual, you wont get an interview without one, whether you actually use PRINCE2 or not.

PRINCE2 is just a crippled/simplified version of a Supply Chain Management module for a business degree that has 8-11 modules approx depending on where you study. I studied Supply Chain Management as an optional module for my degree and it covered everything PRINCE2 has to offer, and more.

Employers rather give the interview to a uni graduate who studied Supply Chain Management as oppose to someone who is PRINCE2 qualified.

I agree with the other user saying Sales is the way forward. If you're able to sell, you can easily earn over £40k a year. Much better than a graduate going in debt and struggling to land a graduate job earning £18k a year. Lol.

marybelle01

cepheus wrote: »

Royalty

Or nude modelling???

marybelle01

denla wrote: »

PRINCE2 is just a crippled/simplified version of a Supply Chain Management module for a business degree that has 8-11 modules approx depending on where you study. I studied Supply Chain Management as an optional module for my degree and it covered everything PRINCE2 has to offer, and more.

Employers rather give the interview to a uni graduate who studied Supply Chain Management as oppose to someone who is PRINCE2 qualified.

I agree with the other user saying Sales is the way forward. If you're able to sell, you can easily earn over £40k a year. Much better than a graduate going in debt and struggling to land a graduate job earning £18k a year. Lol.

In terms of Prince 2, it entirely depends on what the employer is looking for as to whether the module (or even the business degree) is better. I am Prince 2'd (amongst other things) and it's a requirement. A business degree or supply chain management wouldn't even get an interview in my field. It's not even remotely a worthwhile or relevant qualification.

The same goes for graduate jobs and sales jobs. I started my first graduate job in !!!! (a long time ago) and got paid more than £18k then. If you are good at sales and land the right job, then yes you can earn well - most people don't. And since we have too many graduates with lesser qualifications now, the same is true - many won't ever earn much, but my friends son, straight from university (admittedly after a postgraduate year) has just started his first job on £36k.

1940sGal

sniggings wrote: »

On second thoughts I would prefer London

My cousin lives in Brentwood and he says it's very nice. The likes of TOWIE don't help but it's not as chavvy or as common as some would lead you to believe. There are some nice parts from what i've heard.