parking charge notice

SodG24

Jono180185 wrote: »

I have returned to where I parked yesterday and had a look around. There are VP signs EVERYWHERE giving the rules and the possible fee.

How can it be fake? You're not making any sense!

So if I came along and stuck a sign in your front garden saying "Anyone walking on to this land owes me £1000" it would make it valid would it ?

The "tickets" are made to look real but the signs you've seen do not make the "ticket" valid. The private parking company have no right to charge you so you should just ignore them.

Coupon-mad

Jono180185 wrote: »

I have returned to where I parked yesterday and had a look around. There are VP signs EVERYWHERE giving the rules and the possible fee.

How can it be fake? You're not making any sense!

Did you read my reply? Did you look at and understand the links?

As SodG24 says, just putting up some signs doesn't make it OK!

If I said right now that you have to pay me £50 for this reply or I will take you to Court, would you believe me because I've written it so it must be true?

I have worked with young people with Aspergers and I realise it may mean you may find a scam hard to suss as you may believe written stuff at face value. So read my earlier reply above and take what WE are saying at face value instead.

Can you get someone else (friend or family) to read through the links with you so you can take on board that we are telling you it's a scam?

AltheHibby

Jono,

Treat the signs like you would an April Fool's joke. Or anything the Sun says!!

We are telling the truth and folks like Coupon-Mad know the law as well as VP, and they know that the signs are worded to look like they have authority. Please trust us as we have all been where you are and nothing awful has happened to us.

As I said earlier, chill.

Jono180185

Hold it! Hold it! Bit of a break through here! Ive contacted the superstore where I parked and - under my circumstances - they have cancelled the ticket! Thanks for your advice. I'll just put this down to experience. One thing is for sure, I've learned a lot about superstore car parks and how they "work" - very interesting!

Stephen_Leak

Jono180185 wrote: »

I have returned to where I parked yesterday and had a look around. There are VP signs EVERYWHERE giving the rules and the possible fee.

How can it be fake? You're not making any sense!

Only councils, the police, train operators and Transport for London can impose legally enforceable fines or penalties. A private company or individual can't. Private parking companies (PPCs) call their tickets Parking Charge Notices, not Penalty Charge Notices. In law, they’re called speculative invoices.

Any warning signs are usually so badly positioned and worded, that they won’t have created a fair and legally binding deemed contract with a driver entering the car park in the first place. See The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997 and Excel Parking Services vs. Cutts, Stockport, 2011.

All the car park owner (CPO) can claim from a driver in damages for any alleged breach of any alleged contract is what they’ve lost as a result. If it’s in a free car park or the driver paid, this is £0.00. Demanding more has been judged to be unreasonable and therefore an unfair contract penalty under the terms of The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997, which is not legally enforceable. See Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co. Ltd. vs. New Garage & Motor Co. Ltd., House of Lords, 1914 and countless cases since.

There are also now recent landmark court cases, VCS Parking Control vs. Ronald Ibbotson, S!!!!horpe, 2012, HM Revenue & Customs vs. VCS Parking Control, Lower Tax Tribunal, 2012 and VCS Parking Control vs. HM Revenue & Customs (Appeal), Upper Tax Tribunal, 2012. In these cases, the judges ruled that only the CPO can charge for parking and take drivers to court. The Upper Tax Tribunal is equivalent to the High Court, and therefore its judgements set legal precedents.

If you still consider it a fine or penalty, then you need to pay. If you now consider it a scam, then you needn't. I respect your decision.