Moving but no other changes so...?

HGLTsuperstar

Receive IS and DLA and moving to a new area- no other change in circumstances. So my payments wont be affected, will they? Not sure if going to one of the PIP trial areas- where are they and would that make a difference? Had a "random review" of my DLA a few months ago and they decided I wasn't a faker (although of course we all are according to the Daily Mail, sorry to go off-topic but its such a nasty paper, but I do like their telly book at the weekend).

pmlindyloo

When will PIP be introduced

New claims

• April 2013 – Personal Independence Payment will be introduced for new claims in Merseyside, North West England, Cumbria, Cheshire and North East England. During this period new claimants in all other parts of the country will continue to claim Disability Living Allowance as now.
• June 2013 – new claims for Personal Independence Payment will be taken from all parts of the country.

Existing claimants

There is no automatic transfer from Disability Living Allowance (DLA) to Personal Independence Payment. Between October 2013 and March 2016 we will write to claimants already getting DLA to invite them to make a claim for Personal Independence Payment. They will be individually assessed against the new entitlement criteria.

rogerblack

pmlindyloo wrote: »

There is no automatic transfer from Disability Living Allowance (DLA) to Personal Independence Payment. Between October 2013 and March 2016 we will write to claimants already getting DLA to invite them to make a claim for Personal Independence Payment. They will be individually assessed against the new entitlement criteria.

The alternative of course is not staying on DLA, but not claiming PIP when your DLA award expires.

Richie-from-the-Boro

- initially the regional roll-out applies only to new claimants
- see 8 """fixed period awards which are due for renewal"" """where a DLA renewal will trigger an invite to claim for Personal Independence Payment"""
- two categories of existing DLA claimants who we can expect to go through the reassessment process:

• Natural reassessment– where an existing DLA claimant enters the reassessment process due to reporting a change in their care or mobility needs which might affect their award (know as supersession cases) or where a fixed term award comes to an end (known as renewal cases); and ;

• Managed reassessment– where the Department initiates the reassessment process.

Richie-from-the-Boro

According to the Daily Mail, Mirror and Sun who all ran articles fed the salacious info by the conDEMS 75% of IB / DLA were faking and fit for work. Just fast forward a few months now the real appeal success figures come out and only 30% are faking it and fit for work Now that's amazing .. .. the numbers are the same, the appeal rate is broadly similar to what it has been all year, and the government now admit their REDTOP social annihilation of the old infirm and disabled was at least 45% wrong. C'mon Cameron / IDS and associated cronies apologise to the people you terrorised please.

tiddlertot

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- initially the regional roll-out applies only to new claimants
- see 8 """fixed period awards which are due for renewal"" """where a DLA renewal will trigger an invite to claim for Personal Independence Payment"""
- two categories of existing DLA claimants who we can expect to go through the reassessment process:

• Natural reassessment– where an existing DLA claimant enters the reassessment process due to reporting a change in their care or mobility needs which might affect their award (know as supersession cases) or where a fixed term award comes to an end (known as renewal cases); and ;

• Managed reassessment– where the Department initiates the reassessment process.

That category is mainly for those in their mid 60's up to 64 who won't just make the 65 limit on the 8th April 2013.

eg someone who is 64 and not 65 until June 2013 and who has an idefinite DLA award will be in the 'managed group' and can expect to be called up early for PIP ahead of the rest of the claimants of whatever age.

Anybody who is in the age group 63 - 64 inclusive and who will have their 65th birthday shortly after the 8th April 2013, are best advised to prepare for this happening and consider carefully how they will manage if they fail the PIP assessment - they will not be able to reclaim PIP once they are 65. So for those, the changeover is a one stop only chance - fail the changeover and you will have to claim Attendance Allowance which has no mobility element.

tiddlertot

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

According to the Daily Mail, Mirror and Sun who all ran articles fed the salacious info by the conDEMS 75% of IB / DLA were faking and fit for work. Just fast forward a few months now the real appeal success figures come out and only 30% are faking it and fit for work Now that's amazing .. .. the numbers are the same, the appeal rate is broadly similar to what it has been all year, and the government now admit their REDTOP social annihilation of the old infirm and disabled was at least 45% wrong. C'mon Cameron / IDS and associated cronies apologise to the people you terrorised please.

Does it really matter what figures were quoted? At the end of the day beit 75% or otherwise, 30% were found to be faking it!

That is nearly one in every three claims is ficticious or fraudalent. A damning number which ever way you look at it!

I'm glad you brought that up as it can't be just me that sees that the abuse is rife - you do too!

pauliboo

HGLTsuperstar wrote: »

Receive IS and DLA and moving to a new area- no other change in circumstances. So my payments wont be affected, will they?.

As long as you inform them of the change in your address you should be fine.
Everyone will be re-assessed for PIP so I wouldn't worry about when it will happen.

Muttleythefrog

tiddlertot wrote: »

Does it really matter what figures were quoted? At the end of the day beit 75% or otherwise, 30% were found to be faking it!

That is nearly one in every three claims is ficticious or fraudalent. A damning number which ever way you look at it!

I'm glad you brought that up as it can't be just me that sees that the abuse is rife - you do too!

What rubbish. There's absolutely no evidence that 30% of claimants are faking anything... or for that matter 75%. The figures quoted in the press tend to be based on (apart from political motivation) the flawed understanding that ESA has different criteria and set up to the benefits it replaces.

Richie-from-the-Boro

[Muttleythefrog, and everyone else don't feed him, or respond to him in any way

The purpose of my #5 post was .. .. its the first admission ever by Government that their 75% was wrong, people were harmed and denied their benefits as a result. I will await the next, then next then next set of figures until the real truth comes out from Government & the MoJ.

Their claim that 75% were faking it is not true, the reality of the stats show an almost inverse number. Even though ESA is harder to get than previously was the case, more than three quarters of applicants are fully entitled to them.

In essence even if the 25% were now 'fit for work' .. .. it does not mean they were fit for work then .. .. they were not. The new assessment criteria and descriptors are much harder, and deliberately contrived to be unfair, this results in an unreliability of test, which in turn is appealed at tribunal and benefit is restored.

Who knows what the final true real figures are, I suspect they're close to the 0.05% national average for all benefit fraud.

[Deleted User]

tiddlertot wrote: »

Does it really matter what figures were quoted? At the end of the day beit 75% or otherwise, 30% were found to be faking it!

That is nearly one in every three claims is ficticious or fraudalent. A damning number which ever way you look at it!

I'm glad you brought that up as it can't be just me that sees that the abuse is rife - you do too!

thats far too simplistic view of the figures,but of course coming from you....