can any plumbers give me some advice please

drummer_666

Hi,

I have planned a shower room and I would like some comments on whether the plumbing should work for this

the picture is here

http://victorianterracerefurb.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/newkitchen2.png

The wall on the right of toilet is the party wall.
The wall behind the toilet and shower is the end of the house
The wall to the left of shower is the side where the pipes would flow to (the drain is down to the left of the garden door)

I have a solid floor which is going to be dug up and relayed.

The toilet is currently by the middle of the two windows (stud wall is being moved back). The toilet pipe is currently cemented undeground.... and at the mo there is a drain inside the room by the left top corner of the shower!

I really hope the plumbing will work for this....

Thanks so much in advance

cyclonebri1

That is 1 wierd shaped bathroom, 2 mtrs x 9 mtrs, strange.

Microwave and fridge?, am I missing something or are you dual purposing this?


Edited to say, and this is without clarification, the standard angle of the drain would be difficult to maintain along a room of that length, it would need to drop over a foot by estimate, so there would be issues.
Toilet would be the main 1 but being next to the shower should negate that, assuming all drains to the right of your plan?

It's not clear from your post what the intention is.

drummer_666

hmm are you browsing on a phone? the pic should be big and clear lol. or maybe you are joking? hmmm...

Anyway for further clarification, the big room to the left is the kitchen and the small room on the end is the shower room

the shower room is 1.8m x 1.65m

the drain is approx 4.5m down to the left, top of pic. near the kitchen sink

The wall opposite the windows is the party wall.

I could switch the toilet and shower if I need to, altho I'd prefer not to, because it's better for the door not to open straight onto the toilet. Could also raise the shower if it needed it.

warmhands.coldheart

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

That is 1 wierd shaped bathroom, 2 mtrs x 9 mtrs, strange.

Microwave and fridge?, am I missing something or are you dual purposing this?

Thought the same thing, then had to do a double take !!! :rotfl::rotfl:.... mind you it does look quite "practical" however..... I would have concerns if you plan to have friends or family round on a Sunday after a Saturday night on the sauce and a dodgy Kebab on the way home.....
Hope you are planning a high power extractor fan in the bathroom or do you have an outside Kazzi for those "moments" :rotfl::rotfl:

drummer_666

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

Hope you are planning a high power extractor fan in the bathroom or do you have an outside Kazzi for those "moments" :rotfl::rotfl:

lol, this isn't the main bathroom - that's upstairs!
this wc is strictly for number 1s lol

It's currently one massive shower room, with the kitchen ending where the door to the garden is and the shower room starting the other side of the door - so just scaling down the shower room

not sure of the plumbing tho.... hmmmm

keystone

What have you done with the washing machine then which was (on your other thread) going to be next to the shower which was to be where you now have a loo?

Cheers

keystone

Right now in all seriousness. If the loo is currently in between the two small windows where there is a wall/door shown (and before any bright spark offers it up there is now no requirement to have two doors between a loo and a kitchen) and from what you say there is a connnection (or one could be made because the present foul drain must go under the garden door from what you say) to the foul drainage system there? The required fall on the waste pipe will be 1:40. With the centre of the spigot of the pan being approx 200mm above floor level that will easily be achieved over 2½ metres on the outside wall.

However, I can't for the life of me see how you can run your 100m waste pipe (oh please don't suggest you are going for a saniflow which is neither sanitary nor will it flow very well) from the position of the loo as indicated as it can't go through the party wall (unless you have a very amenable neighbour (:D) and I can't see how you can possibly bend a 100mm pipe around the shower tray! Methinks you should be reversing the position of the shower and loo and have the loo back to the gardenwall even if you don't want to. Most separate loos have the door opening directly in front of the bog there being little choice in the matter so I don't see the objection tbh.

Is the drain near the shower a foul drain or surface water drain? If the latter you can't stuff the contents of your loo into it.

How are you going to get the waste from the WHB to any drain?

Cheers

cyclonebri1

drummer_666 wrote: »

hmm are you browsing on a phone? the pic should be big and clear lol. or maybe you are joking? hmmm...

Anyway for further clarification, the big room to the left is the kitchen and the small room on the end is the shower room

the shower room is 1.8m x 1.65m

the drain is approx 4.5m down to the left, top of pic. near the kitchen sink

The wall opposite the windows is the party wall.

I could switch the toilet and shower if I need to, altho I'd prefer not to, because it's better for the door not to open straight onto the toilet. Could also raise the shower if it needed it.[/QUOTE]

No not joking at all, the fact that you didn't mention "kitchen threw me. I just didn't, and still don't get the practicallity have effectively having shower/bathroom on each end of a kitchen, but each to his own.

Leew1231

If you can mark up on the drawing the drainage run that would help hugely.

drummer_666

keystone wrote: »

Methinks you should be reversing the position of the shower and loo and have the loo back to the gardenwall even if you don't want to. Most separate loos have the door opening directly in front of the bog there being little choice in the matter so I don't see the objection tbh.

Is the drain near the shower a foul drain or surface water drain? If the latter you can't stuff the contents of your loo into it.

How are you going to get the waste from the WHB to any drain?

Cheers

Yes the loo is currently in between the 2 windows where the wall/door is (if I can move the loo, then I can shorten the room, which means there is space for the washing machine in the kitchen)

The drain near shower is surface water drain (I think)

I could switch the shower and loo, as you mentioned I'd prefer not to so the door doesn't open onto the loo, but if that's what it needs for plumbing I'm ok to do that. Would I then need to put the shower on a raised platform to get the drop?

What about the basin? I could switch it to the opposite wall, but I'd then only be able to get a 250mm deep basin, so I'd much prefer to keep that where it is. Could the waste pipe go under the solid floor before this is laid or is that a mistake in case it ever leaks?

drummer_666

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

No not joking at all, the fact that you didn't mention "kitchen threw me. I just didn't, and still don't get the practicallity have effectively having shower/bathroom on each end of a kitchen, but each to his own.

Sorry, didn't think to say as the drawing is pretty clear

I don't have a shower/bathroom on each end of a kitchen, just on one end.

Its lounge (not on the drawing), leading through to kitchen/diner, with shower room on the end

Most victorian terraces have a bathroom on the end of the kitchen, so nothing unusual there