backdated pay

lafflotts

hi all, we have just had back dated pay for our daughter this time she got high rate mobility, so we can get a car , the problem is we will only have 22 months of DLA and if we get a car this is for 36 months does anyone know how it will work please ?x

harveybobbles

You will get another DLA bundle of papers to fill in in about 18 months time. If you suceed in getting the current HRM then you continue with the car until it reaches 33 months old then it gets inspected so you can then order the replacement.

grummps

lafflotts wrote: »

hi all, we have just had back dated pay for our daughter this time she got high rate mobility, so we can get a car , the problem is we will only have 22 months of DLA and if we get a car this is for 36 months does anyone know how it will work please ?x

If at the 22 month stage and if you don't get the HRM re-awarded the car goes back.

If you appeal and after 12 months of waiting for a Tribunal hearing and you get the award that way, you can go out and get another car.

Each DLA re-assessment is treated as a new claim and what happened before has no relevance.

How old is your daughter?

If she is under 16 in April 2013, she will continue (under present guidelines) to be re-assessed until she is 16 when she will have to apply for PIP.

Long term awards are now in the past for DLA. With PIP (similar to ESA) the awards will be for short periods at a time and everyone will have a face to face assessment with ATOS (as they do with ESA).

Under PIP, it will not be enough any longer to rely on the inability to get about as being the doorway to a motability car. Mental health issues will be part of it as well to qualify.

In the past far too many DLA awards were made and never re-visited unless the claimant volunteered to tell the DWP that their health had improved. Hence people can't be trusted to be honest so they are reducing the award periods and making them fixed thereby forcing people to have to prove on an ongoing basis that they still have that level of disability.

rogerblack

grummps wrote: »

In the past far too many DLA awards were made and never re-visited unless the claimant volunteered to tell the DWP that their health had improved. Hence people can't be trusted to be honest so they are reducing the award periods and making them fixed thereby forcing people to have to prove on an ongoing basis that they still have that level of disability.

Fraud on DLA is consistently low, comparable with DWP error.
This seems like an odd reason to remove about a quarter of peoples motability cars. (or HRM, if they do not have a car)

Richie-from-the-Boro

All guesses are just that, a guess, but the well respected Spartacus [June 24th, 2012] puts the PIP [not UC] figure at 280,000 Motability customers losing their cars by 2016.

NOTE : Spartacus used the Government's own figures to calculate :

- a 27% reduction in the number of working age disabled people eligible
- that equates to an approximate 17% reduction in the total number of Motability car scheme customers

rogerblack

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

All guesses are just that, a guess, but the well respected Spartacus [June 24th, 2012] puts the PIP [not UC] figure at 280,000 Motability customers losing their cars by 2016.

NOTE : Spartacus used the Government's own figures to calculate :

- a 27% reduction in the number of working age disabled people eligible
- that equates to an approximate 17% reduction in the total number of Motability car scheme customers

Thanks - I'd forgotten to count the non-working-age DLA claimants in the above - leading to 'a quarter'.
Though I'm unsure the documents published more recently update the figures on HRM awards being removed.

Hmm.
It seems to me that http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/dla-reform-wr2011-ia.pdf - page 8 and 9 give more recent info than what I was using.

Total of DLA claimants with HRM awards of working age at introduction of PIP is 1.04 million.
Total of PIP claimants with enhanced mobility however is 760K.

So, 27% down for working age claimants for the latest published info.

(Assuming that all people with HRM are as likely to have a motability car.
This is clearly incorrect - for example, DLA awards of HRM for short terms will not have a motability car.
I've not found anything which breaks this down adequately enough to determine the proportion of claimants now eligible to a motability car.
And the above table is not adequate to determine who moves in and out of HRM/enhanced mobility.

lafflotts

hi all and thankyou for replying , i did not know i had these replies as i cant seem to find a link to my email on here to alert me , my daughter will be 15 in december and this is our first dla award x

lafflotts

lafflotts wrote: »

hi all and thankyou for replying , i did not know i had these replies as i cant seem to find a link to my email on here to alert me , my daughter will be 15 in december and this is our first dla award x

kingfisherblue

To get an email alert, when you post a reply, click on 'Go Advanced'. Scroll down below the reply box and there is a small box saying 'do not subscribe' - if you click the arrow at the side, you will have the options of an instant email alert, daily or weekly alerts, or no email alert at all. I'm not sure what happens when you subscribe to a thread and don't have an alert though

Richie-from-the-Boro

rogerblack wrote: »

Thanks - I'd forgotten to count the non-working-age DLA claimants in the above - leading to 'a quarter'.
Though I'm unsure the documents published more recently update the figures on HRM awards being removed.

Hmm.
It seems to me that http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/dla-reform-wr2011-ia.pdf - page 8 and 9 give more recent info than what I was using.

Total of DLA claimants with HRM awards of working age at introduction of PIP is 1.04 million.
Total of PIP claimants with enhanced mobility however is 760K.

So, 27% down for working age claimants for the latest published info.

(Assuming that all people with HRM are as likely to have a motability car.
This is clearly incorrect - for example, DLA awards of HRM for short terms will not have a motability car.
I've not found anything which breaks this down adequately enough to determine the proportion of claimants now eligible to a motability car.
And the above table is not adequate to determine who moves in and out of HRM/enhanced mobility.

HiYa roger, the research by Oxford Economics for Spartacus and Motability to include DWP references are at the bottom of this pdf. In terms of the 'claimants now eligible' figure I don't think you will ever get a tight break down figure, merely a rolling figure. The government denied for almost a year that figures existed or were even collated / collected. More worrying is the 50% figure they publish as remaining on enhanced [£54] DLA post PIP, and the remaining going to lower [£20] rate, this is a devastating outcome for the disabled whether working or not.

Richie-from-the-Boro

lafflotts wrote: »

hi all, we have just had back dated pay for our daughter this time she got high rate mobility, so we can get a car , the problem is we will only have 22 months of DLA and if we get a car this is for 36 months does anyone know how it will work please ?x

- approach a local dealer and order a car
- tell them what you've told this group
- you will still get the car
- they're usually more than very helpful
- when and if your eligibility runs out they will take the car back

Hope this helps.