Census 2011: UK at 63.1 million, up 4 million in 10 years

Graham_Devon

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Hmmmm. Seems like they might be counted.

They are counted in the real figures. Hence new homes is around 50% more than what Hamish waffles out all over the forum.

It's not THAT far behind the extra 3.7m people, especially considering co-habitation.

For instance, 208,000 dwellings were completed between 2007-8 alone.

I have just specifically stated "not in Hamish's figures"...not that they are not counted in the proper figures. In 2009 (or 10, can't remember), osmehting like 160,000 dwellings were completed. Hamish will have you believe it's under100k as he only looks at new builds.

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

They are counted in the real figures. Hence new homes is around 50% more than what Hamish waffles out all over the forum.

It's not THAT far behind the extra 3.7m people, especially considering co-habitation.

For instance, 208,000 dwellings were completed between 2007-8 alone.

I have just specifically stated "not in Hamish's figures"...not that they are not counted in the proper figures. In 2009 (or 10, can't remember), osmehting like 160,000 dwellings were completed. Hamish will have you believe it's under100k as he only looks at new builds.

New-Builds make up the bulk according to the data

Looking at the latest release: -
http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/corporate/statistics/netsupplyhousing201011

Nett supply was

Key points from the latest release are:

• Annual housing supply in England amounted to 121,200 net additional dwellings in 2010-11. This is a 6 per cent decrease on the 128,680 net additional homes supplied in the previous year, and compares with a 23 per cent fall between 2008-09 and 2009-10.
• The 121,200 net additions figure for 2010-11 is composed of 117,700 new build homes, 5,050 additional homes resulting from conversions, 11,540 additional homes resulting from change of use, 1,810 other gains and a loss of 14,890 homes through demolitions.

Also interesting that the trend is still decreasing despit nett population increasing.

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

For instance, 208,000 dwellings were completed between 2007-8 alone.

It's interesting that you choose the peak of nett housing supply in the last decade.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/housing/xls/118.xls

ENGLAND
2000 - 2001 132,000
2001 - 2002 130,510
2002 - 2003 143,680
2003 - 2004 154,770
2004 - 2005 169,450
2005 - 2006 186,380
2006 - 2007 198,770
2007 - 2008 207,370
2008 - 2009 166,570
2009 - 2010 128,680
2010 - 2011 121,200

11 Year total =
1,739,380

Average = 158,125


How did that compare to population increases over those 11 years?

Graham_Devon

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

It's interesting that you choose the peak of nett housing supply in the last decade.

It's not really that interesting. Theres no conspircay theory. It was simply the easiest data to get without reading through 10's of pages of PDFs.

Graham_Devon

Oh good lord, wish I'd never said anything! It's turned into the pensions thread within seconds.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

They are counted in the real figures. Hence new homes is around 50% more than what Hamish waffles out all over the forum. .

Oh really....

Lets take a look at the net additions figures then.

"The 121,200 net additions figure for 2010-11 is composed of 117,700 new build homes, 5,050 additional homes resulting from conversions, 11,540 additional homes resulting from change of use, 1,810 other gains and a loss of 14,890 homes through demolitions."

In that same period of time..... Population grew by 470,000 and around 270,000 new households were created.

Even with your cherry picked 208,000 figure from 2007/8 at the absolute peak of building in the last decade, it wasn't enough to cover the average new households formed which averaged 235,000 per year for that decade.

So for one year out of ten, at the absolute peak of building, it got within 25,000 houses of need. And for the other years, it was woefully short.

And today, it's less than half the housing need.

Well done Graham.

Just, well done.

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Oh good lord, wish I'd never said anything! It's turned into the pensions thread within seconds.

Just understand your facts or be prepared for someone to question them.

Carl31

so where do all these extra people, that we don't have houses for, live?

IveSeenTheLight

They share.
They stay at home with their parents

The population is 63 million, hence the additional per year is a small percentage, however it's a slow squeeze that's been happening for a number of years.

DpchMd

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Oh good lord, wish I'd never said anything! It's turned into the pensions thread within seconds.

Why do you continue to make these baseless statements?

It's impossible to disagree with Hamish's point in the OP, yet you have to try to find some frivolous baseless argument to counter his logical conclusion.