UKPC issues

Gringolian_2

Hi, I was issued a charge by ukpc, and since I drive a company car I can't really have debt collection letters going to my company so I have appealed it. The thing is I actually have a concrete case for appealing as they have sent a letter that say I have exceeded the paid for time, and this particular car park has a minimum 2 hour parking time. What their "warden" doesn't know is that I have a tracker in my car that details every movement my car makes, and i have downloaded a detailed report that says I was stationary for 8 minutes!!
The funny thing is that I specifically remember that day and there was no ticket on my car when I got back, so the first I heard about it was when my company got a letter saying I owed them £90! I appealed and sent them a detailed report pulled from my tracker. I got a response by email to say they had received my appeal and would deal with it in 10-14 days. A week or so later, I got a "final reminder" letter, so I called them only to be told that they hadn't received my appeal, and can I send it to them again? So I sent it to the email address of the girl in the admin dept that I spoke to and I got a personal reply from her saying she had received it, and had passed it on to the appeals dept. this was about a month ago and I'd heard nothing so I called them to chase it. They again have told me that they haven't received it (despite 2 emails saying they have) and can I send it again by post? I had a big row on the phone because I do not have time to be chasing this ridiculously inept company all the time for a ticket that should never have been issued in the first place.
I cannot ignore the letters as it is a company car, but it is ridiculous that they can lose my appeal documents twice and still expect me to waste more of my time sending it again.
Can I do anything about this?

LincolnshireYokel

First of all, its an illegal unenforceable invoice, not a 'ticket' and not a 'fine' and so any contractual clauses in the company rules about paying fines dont count, and you need to tell them so straight away. Tell them you will deal with all correspondance, and theyare NOT to pay or engage in conversations with the scammers.

Apart from that, you've fallen for the scam. There 'ticket' is unenforceable. It has no legal basis, and cannot be enforced in court. In fact, they rarely try there hand at court - we have recently found out from FOI requests that the chances of them trying there hand in court are 1 in 21,000, and the chances of it appearing in front of a judge is 1 in 350,000

And he chances of them winning against a proper defence is exactly zero

Now lets talk about debt collectors. Do not confuse debt collectors with bailiffs. A bailiff is a company that enforces court orders. That means there has been a court case, which you lost, and were given a court order to pay, which you haven't done by 28 days later. Bailiffs have powers. And you have the ability and chance to defend yourself in court.

A debt collector is any scruffy crook in a tin shed in a scrapyard. I can set myself up as a debt collector tomorrow. They have no legal powers to do anything, and you have no obligation to talk to them or take any notice on them. in fact, it is illegal to harass someone for an alleged debt, and so should such people knock you tell them to they have 15 seconds to get off your land, before you set the dog on them and call the police.

Apart from that, stop playing the PPC's silly game and just ignore them from now on. Read the stickies, then have a look at the examples of the toothless, unenforceable, threatograms they will try and scare you with, all of them hollow threats and rubbish.

IGNORE, theres nothing they can do, and you have no legal obligation to pay a red cent UKPC are well known here, a right bunch of chancers and crooks

vax2002

Your appeal has failed.
Why would they turn down your cash ?
it an impersonation of authority scam.

They have list of block registrations of lease cars, they target them on sight, it's guaranteed money, the only appeal you should be making is to the lease company to inform them you will sue them for any damages they cause by paying a unsolicited invoice.

Gringolian_2

Whilst I get what you're saying and if the car was in my name would do exactly this, however I'm pretty sure my company will not appreciate having letters from debt collectors sent through, regardless of whether they are enforceable or not. The car is in the companies name, so all correspondence will go to them not me.

Kite2010

Tell them that you were the driver, should transfer the letters from the companies name to yours if your worried about someone in the company panicking and paying up

Your safe even if they do court as you've got the tracker proof

Gringolian_2

That's what I thought about doing, but was concerned that putting it in my name would make it enforceable?

Stephen_Leak

Plan A. Educate your company.

Plan B. Use the PPCs greed against themselves. Against all our usual advice, write to them, setting yourself up as the target. Then you can ignore their letters.

Since two recent landmark court cases, VCS Parking Control vs. Ronald Ibbotson, S!!!!horpe, 2012 and VCS Parking Control vs. HM Revenue & Customs, Upper Tax Tribunal, 2012. In both cases, the judges ruled that only the car park owner can take drivers to court. The Upper Tax Tribunal is a court of record, equivalent to the High Court, and therefore its judgement sets a legal precedent.

Personally, I'd tell them I was the driver. If you're going to bait a hook, use a nice big, juicy worm.

Kite2010

Gringolian wrote: »

That's what I thought about doing, but was concerned that putting it in my name would make it enforceable?

Not at all.

As you've said you've got tracker prove that you were not there at the time they claimed, not to mention that the amount far exceeds any losses suffered by the landowner