Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

I agree with you Jackie re some comments in media etc of last couple of days as being "extremely rude". I must admit to being astonished at people being labelled "old" - even if they are old iyswim.

To me - "old" means "past Retirement Age" and that's basically heading for 70. Which rather confirms my view that "old" means "in 70 plus age group". But, with the ageist comments currently being made of "Old people have decided for us" - that does surprise me. Over my lifetime it has become unacceptable to discriminate on grounds of race, sex, sexuality, state of health - which I thoroughly agree with and was pleased to see those bits of discrimination vanish (well...virtually vanish....I can see one or two hang-overs that still need removing:cool:).

Hence - I find it unacceptable to regard it as okay to discriminate against someone still on the grounds of age. The whole "You're old - so you dont count" attitude I've seen a lot of over the last couple of days.

What I dont think even those making such ageist comments realise is that is start of slippery slope - ie "Why should they have health care - they're old" or "Why should they be reasonably housed - they're old". People are people - with all the same needs/rights/wishes/responsibilities - regardless of the age their body happens to be.

One can't judge by the level of "education" received either as to anyone's intelligence level - plenty of intelligent people (particularly women in my generation) didnt go to University on the one hand. I see text written by people who have gone to University recently on the other hand and find myself astonished at things like poor spelling, etc, in it. Even if someone wasnt particularly bright - they are still a person and entitled to a viewpoint (ie the same as anyone else).

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Blue_Doggy wrote: »

Some references to the "fall of the EU" seemed a little gleeful ...

I can't speak for others, but I merely stated that, IMO, the EU will, in the fairly near future (the time period depending on which/how many other countries, choose to leave) collapse.

I made no comment to the effect, that I would be either happy, or sad, if/when it happens.

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maryb wrote: »

Just a thought - Brexit would not have won without the votes of those Scots who voted out.

By the same token, had the Scottish votes not been included, Brexit would have won by a far larger margin.

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milasavesmoney wrote: »

Trump congratulated Scotland for voting to leave EU. He never ceases to amaze us with his speeches.

At least he knew what, and where, Scotland is.

Bush probably wouldn't have known either.

mardatha

It isn't over until it's over. Cameron threw his toys out of his playpen and went home in a huff and Osbourne is under a stone somewhere. Right now they're probly on the phone to each other and Mrs Merkel, begging for a special deal so they can pop out in Downing St waving a bit of paper and grinning like idiots.
I find it really funny that after imposing decisions on us peasants and forcing us to accept them - the minute they can't get their own way they fall apart and take the huff. And nobody seems to have said out loud anyway that if they had listened to all the people in the south east who were worried about immigration then this whole thing would not have happened.
He could have fought - and got - the right to refuse benefits until you paid so much tax and national insurance. He could have refused NHS care until you had lived here for 2 years. He didn't even try, because he's too scared to argue with the big boys.
I just wish we had a guillotine, I've even got me knitting ready.
I do think food prices will go up, they will use this as an excuse.

pineapple

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Hence - I find it unacceptable to regard it as okay to discriminate against someone still on the grounds of age. The whole "You're old - so you dont count" attitude I've seen a lot of over the last couple of days.

What I dont think even those making such ageist comments realise is that is start of slippery slope - ie "Why should they have health care - they're old" or "Why should they be reasonably housed - they're old". People are people - with all the same needs/rights/wishes/responsibilities - regardless of the age their body happens to be.

Well their rationale is that this is a decision which will impact most on the younger generation as we old fogies haven't got long to go. Plus we are less forward thinking and stuck in a time warp.... :rotfl:
It's a dangerous mindset and a slippery slope as you say.

debbym

mardatha wrote: »

I find it really funny that after imposing decisions on us peasants and forcing us to accept them - the minute they can't get their own way they fall apart and take the huff.

These guys were elected demoncratically with an official manefesto - not forced on anyone. What now is that those who wanted to leave Brussels because the leaders were non-elected will now have a country lead by someone who wasn't elected...

Blue_Doggy

mardatha wrote: »

It isn't over until it's over. Cameron threw his toys out of his playpen and went home in a huff and Osbourne is under a stone somewhere.

Rather like the rest of the UK then, we can't get exactly what we want so we throw our toys about ... and call it a referendum.

I don't see how Cameron (I am not a supporter of his btw) could make decisions and commitment that his successor - whoever that might be - would have to implement, better for those who have the vision for the new UK (Johnson, Gove, Farage or whoever) to make the deals which accord with their vision and promises.

mardatha wrote: »

And nobody seems to have said out loud anyway that if they had listened to all the people in the south east who were worried about immigration then this whole thing would not have happened.
He could have fought - and got - the right to refuse benefits until you paid so much tax and national insurance. He could have refused NHS care until you had lived here for 2 years. He didn't even try, because he's too scared to argue with the big boys.
I just wish we had a guillotine, I've even got me knitting ready.
I do think food prices will go up, they will use this as an excuse.

Too true, Cameron was a weak negotiator and didn't even try to work on a full agenda. Did you notice how no-one made anything of his so-called negotiations during the campaign? Miserable!

I don't think food prices will stay up in the long run, the UK farmers will not be able to compete with Thailand, Vietnam, Brazil, etc. and will go out of business, and the UK can buy the cheapest food available in the world market. Then the farms can be sold for building the houses we are so short of ... (Personally, I hope not, but I am probably in a minority on this.)

moneyistooshorttomention

Dont know about you Pineapple - but being in my early 60s - I reckon I've got about 20 years to go personally. That's still quite a time:rotfl:

As for "forward thinking" - I've been thinking/planning ahead for about the next century personally since I was in my 30s. Age doesnt dictate whether one only thinks ahead as far as the end of the week, next year, next decade or next century. Some people just are forward-thinking and others aren't...:cool:

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I'd like to think that once we ARE free to make our own decisions about agriculture and farming and be able to grow whatever type of produce we want to not be told that we can only grow certain strains of wheat etc. that British farming might be regenerated and become a vital part of 'new Britain'. It would take quite a bit of time to restore all the orchards that were grubbed out for EU subsidies and it would inevitable mean in the short term that prices rose but once re-established our Farmers are the best in the world and should be able to supply most of the nations needs with strains of wheat/types of potato etc. that grow best in our climate enough to feed the nation well.

Just been reading with a sense of glee that a butcher somewhere in North Devon has started selling his produce in Imperial weights, Lbs and Oz and not having to work our how much it is in grams and litres is making his customers very happy indeed!